Why the US Needs Talented Immigrants: Understanding the Genius Visa

Tom Finn (00:00.)

Welcome, welcome to the show, my friends. Today we are learning from Ranjeet Mudholkar. Ranjeet, welcome to the show.

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (00:07.525)

Oh, it's my great pleasure, Tom.

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Tom Finn (00:09.778)

Well, it is my pleasure to have you, my friend. And for those of you that don't know Ranjeet or his background, let me just take a moment to introduce you to him. He's the founder of the Next League program where he helps professionals achieve their American dream by applying for the EB1A green card and landing the perfect job in six months without a sponsor, a lottery or a million dollar investment. Now his background includes over two decades of leadership and experience in managing tons of professional assignments, including in his early days as director at 24 years old at one of the leading business schools in the world, the Symbiosis Institute, and being the head of HR at an IT conglomerate, the vice chairman and CEO of a leading financial institution. He did that for 18 years as well. Now let me tell you, he is focused on helping as many people as he can with this so-called Genius Visa, which is the EB1A green card. And we're gonna start right there, my man. Let's talk about what the EB1A green card is and why this matters to America's workforce.

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (01:19.333)

Absolutely. Now, Tom, if somebody wants to become a US resident, either you need to have some relatives, your parents need to be US citizens or you need to get married to a US citizen or you need to have a sibling who is a US citizen or you need to have a kind of a sponsor in a job who can let you have this EB1A green card who could serve as your petitioner or there are other ways like you can invest a million dollar if you have and become a green card holder. But for talented professionals, the US government has a scheme, let's call it a scheme or a program, which is called EB1A Green Card, which is colloquially called also as Einstein Visa or a GMS Visa. Now, because Albert Einstein was the one who I think was one of the recipient of this. And that's why it is called as Einstein Visa or a GMS Visa. The word that is being used for EB1A Green Card is called extraordinary ability.

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Now, if you have extraordinary ability, you can apply it without any job sponsor or any investment. You can tell the US government that, oh, here I am, Tom. Say, I'm Tom. It's like, let's say you're making a statement. Let's say to the White House and telling the man out there that, look, I'm Tom. This is my expertise and this is what I can do for the United States. Please give me a green card by the US government and please write on that at Tom. I'm Tom Finn person of extraordinary ability. Now this is the tonality and the vibration and the benefit to the US you need to bring on the table. And this is what is EB1A Green.

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Tom Finn (02:55.378)

So a person of extraordinary ability, and thank you, Ranjeet, for using my name in that. I am not a person of extraordinary ability. However, I do know a few of them, and some of them are my friends, which is great. But for those of us that are trying to understand what that is, what does that actually look like? We can visualize Einstein, a great scientist and mathematician. Can you help us with a couple of examples of what this might look like in the real world?

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (03:23.718)

I think there is a more deep explanation rather than calling a definition because it looks very subjective. What is extraordinary? What is extraordinary for you may not be extraordinary for somebody else. But what the US government would call extraordinary as someone who has risen to the top of one's field of endeavor. Okay, now this could let's say.

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It means you have a choice of choosing a field and you need to be best in your field. So reason to the top of one field. Remember, it's not saying that you need to be the best in your field as an individual contributor or as a human potential. Remember, there is a marked difference between the two statements. So let me repeat what I said. The law says that extraordinary ability is defined as someone who has risen to the top of one's field of expertise or endeavor. It is not saying which we normally perceive it to be. Normally perceive it to be, I'm saying. And many people are under that misconception that it implies that you need to be the best in your field at the frontier of human potential. It's not to that level or to that level of extend. And in fact, today somebody was asking me and this is made me think that why people are under that because it all depends on what we believe is extraordinary ability to be.

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Tom Finn (05:04.658)

So I agree with that. So you're at the top of your field, but what you're saying is the nuance here is it doesn't mean you're the only one at the top, that there's only one person in that field who's the top. You're saying you gotta be at the top. You gotta be in that top X or Y percent. And I'm guessing it's probably five or 10 or two, but it's not the number one person in the whole world.

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (05:29.925)

Absolutely. It is not that you have crossed the frontier of human potential. Let's be clear. I mean, that is not what extraordinary ability look like. Because again, let's ask ourselves, what is the purpose of it and why it is not that. Let's be clear about it. I mean, that's very interesting in my perspective that the US Constitution or the whole genesis of this whole immigration is to attract talented people to the US and to make US a forefront or to have a kind of a world's best expertise inside the US. Now, you don't want, need not always be at the human potential, but you can help other people to do that and benefit US to do that. And best make other people do that. For example, you can create better employment. You can create better work opportunities for people. You can contribute in the frontier of your subject later on. Maybe the US can give you an opportunity.

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It's not a recognition. Remember, for all anything being said, this is not an award that you have to cross the human frontier. I mean, we are not trying to be Bruce Lee here where Bruce Lee, I mean, it's defined to be he's said to be like cross the human frontier of physical fitness. We are not trying that in your field of expertise. You just need to be at the top. I think I loved when you said, I mean, for the purpose of EB1A, it's 10 percent. Let me be honest with you. I mean, you can be.

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So you can establish this by virtue of certain other experts talking about you. It could be through media articles, it could be through your work, you could have got some awards, you could have published something, you would be earning potentially something, you would have participated in seminars, you may be a speaker in podcast. Now these are a lot of metrics that you can bring around to establish your expertise.

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Tom Finn (07:20.786)

Yeah, wonderful. So what's in it for the person that wants to come to the US? They're the top of their field, right? They're really talented, let's be honest. And why would they want to come to the United States and bring their talents to the US?

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (07:36.293)

You see, US has a long history of attracting the world's best immigrants and making give offer a platform to showcase their expertise and to benefit for them themselves and as well as for the country. Now, US, if you look at the whole concept of immigration in developed countries, there is a huge amount of talent for across the world for such kind of people and talent. So US has been at the forefront. If you look at some other countries like France, Germany. Germany has in fact something called as blue card, actually. They call it blue card. Then there is Australia, New Zealand, China. I think it's called D visa if I'm correct. Yes. So you have things like that where most of the countries are competing for the world's best talent to come in. And most of the people, especially from India, China, and maybe some people from Europe, you could be a best filmmaker. You could be an IT software expert. You could just be in any field. So US becomes a repository of the pool of the most talented individuals in the world by providing them an opportunity, by widening their horizons. And there is always behind something what we call as American dream. So.

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Tom Finn (08:49.458)

Oh, for sure. And it makes sense. I think there's probably some people on the other side of the fence that would say, you know what, we don't want any more immigration into our country. We want, you know, what we want today, or what we have today. What would you say to those folks that say, no, you're taking American jobs, you're taking you know, money away from Americans and you're giving it to foreigners. Cause I'm sure that comes up.

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (09:21.125)

I mean, there are a lot of studies that can establish that immigrants have played a very major role in terms of contributing to the US economy itself. For example, the percentage of patrons what immigrants would have, amount of companies that people would have created and created jobs for Americans. Now, for such people, I would just have one question that would you be willing to let go this global talent and just survive without that actually. I'm sure as somebody, if we talk rationally and with data, the answer would be straight no, actually. We want talented people. But I think let's also respect, Tom, that I think this whole concept, I mean, I don't want to get into a political debate of what is good, what constitutes immigrants, but talented individuals have always been benefiting to any country, every country. And we are talking about, and I think this whole idea of, I think it stems from the premises of somebody possibly who is a mediocre or somebody who has not contributed per se and has always been in a receiving end. But we are talking about somebody at a Nobel laureate level. Everybody may not have a Nobel Prize who is trying for a genius visa or an Olympic or Oscar, but the level of expertise that we are talking about here is of that standard that if there were a Nobel Prize, if there were an Oscar, if there were an, you know, kind of Olympic for this respective fields, somebody who is like, I have a, you know, we helped over 15 people so far. Now somebody is a top end, a top end software engineer or a geospatial engineer. Now if you're talking about those caliber of people, I'm sure that if you see the profiles of those people, you won't like to lose them. Somebody is a DevOps engineer, somebody is a software performance tester in healthcare industry. Can you afford to lose these kind of talented individuals? That would be my question.

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Tom Finn (11:21.586)

Yeah, I think that's a great question to pose. If you've got the best and brightest minds coming to the US to help with healthcare or rocket launches or defense or education, right? You've got really bright people in all different industries that can that can utilize this. And I would imagine it's probably a pretty tough visa to get. This isn't just show up and a smile for the camera and take a picture and here's your card. Um, there's probably some process and some hoops that these folks have to jump through. What does that process look like?

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (11:56.677)

Absolutely, I mean, just to give you a glimpse of that, I mean, for your readers, I mean, the typical petition for an EB1A application would run into minimum 2000 pages. So that goes into the whole DNA of what constituted an expertise of a person, what are the laws and relevance at how the person would benefit to the USA, what does that expertise would mean to the United States. What are the different success metrics of that individual? What is the knowledge level of that particular person in that particular field? What is the profile of the person in terms of the progressive experience and what is the impact factor that person has created in totality? 

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So there are different stages, criterias, sustained acclaim. There is something called a sustained acclaim. There's totality. And what has one contributed in the overall scheme of things? Already done globally or nationally and how that person can benefit. So the whole process look at how you choose your expertise. And in our program, we call something as a done process. We call it D -O -N -E for EB1A readiness. So first step is defining your expertise. It's just that, you know, it would not be just another expertise. You know, I'm a podcaster, for example. Let's say if you were to apply for EB1A Green Card, just to give you an example and case in point. I mean, if you just say you're a podcaster, there are a million podcasters. But then if you say that you are talking about podcasters for someone who is starting a business, let's say, then you are basically targeting certain set of people. So that becomes your expertise. Or you can even get more focused your expertise on somebody who are women entrepreneurs, let us say, or somebody who is young. So let's take women entrepreneurs. So Tom Finn is a world's best podcaster for women entrepreneurs who are starting off for the first time. So that becomes your expertise. 

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Then comes second thing we have to match with this expertise with the past USCIS cases what has happened in the past. So that would be kind of you know number two criteria that would happen. Second, first step is define, second step is organize. In which there are certain how do you define success metrics for you? Maybe number of podcasts you have done, maybe number of people you have influenced. How many people got benefited out of your podcast? What is your technical competence? So that becomes organized and create certain milestones that Tom version one today and Tom version two. How would you take in? You become the top, you know, 1 % or 10 % in your field of expertise. We will talk about that. So that's the second step. The third step is what we call as nurture, which is defined, organized, and third is nurture. Nurture would imply. Okay, actualizing those milestones. Maybe you take some memberships, maybe you have new skills, maybe you include phonetics in the way you talk, the way you communicate, we are mentioning to me. You know, you have to get into an internal dynamics of what makes a successful podcast and the areas around that. So you get into those dynamics in your field of expertise. Maybe you need to have good mic, maybe you have good diction, maybe you need to study the literature and how you do things. You are fully prepared what I'm going to talk about, you do your homework. So you have your own process. So that needs to get explained. 

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And last is execute where you actually learn how to kind of present your case to the United States government. That would imply by creating self -reference letters, reaching out to the people who benefited out of it, drafting a petition, hiring a good lawyer for yourself. Now, remember a case like this will typically take two, three, maybe you will need testimonials, at least 2000 pages if I may say so. So that's the process and it's not USCIS goes through every document very, very carefully that you have submitted and then chooses to decide or decides to ask certain more question, which is called RFE or decides to reject you. So it still gives you a notice of the path denial, which is called NOID. It is called notice of intent of denial or may still straight approve you. So that's kind of a rigor that is happening. And most important, how your presence is going to benefit to the US and the United States. So all the things put together will make a good impression for the United States to award you this green card, bypassing all the processes and putting you first in the queue. Let's get that.

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Tom Finn (16:27.25)

I think I heard you say 2000 pages of documentation. Did I hear that correctly? And the process could take, what's the window in terms of the process that it takes? How long is it used? A year, two years, but like where are the earmarks here on how long it might take?

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (16:35.013)

Absolutely. Okay, that's very interesting. Now, there are two phases in this if you if you notice the first phase is that you have to build up your profile to an extent. If Elon Musk were to choose to apply, obviously, he doesn't need it. But let's say if Elon Musk were to choose to apply, obviously, there won't be he can just kind of prepare his petition and submit it. But after having submitted the petition, typically, the USCIS, which is an agency which looks at all these petitions may take, it depends on which center you send, there are different logistics issues into that, but roughly it could take anywhere at least six months to one year. But, but there is a nice, another facility that if you are in an urgency, if you need something to, you can always ask for something called as premium processing. And if you opt for a premium processing, you may hear from them in just 15 days.

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Tom Finn (17:40.114)

So how much does this cost if you're sitting there in another country and you're an expert in your field and you think that you could provide tremendous value to the United States and it would lift you up, it would lift up the United States? How much does this, how many coins do you have to go get to put all this together?

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (18:01.509)

There are two aspects to it. Again, here one is the to become that person of excellence. I mean, I'm not talking from a coaching perspective. You may need a coaching or you may not need a coaching. I'm not saying everybody should go for a coaching necessarily. Some people may just be an expert and they make but overall when you build up your profile, you may have to learn certain skills. You may have to go to school at times. You may. So that is a different cost that we cannot build it into becoming that person. Like, for example, if you are applying for a podcaster. I mean, how much cost did it take to become a podcaster? There is no logic to it answering this question for the purpose of everyone. But as far as the US government is concerned, you just have to fill up a form which costs, I think, $700. And for a premium processing, they charge anywhere. I think we have recently raised the fees to from 2500 to 2800. That's it. But remember, you have a potential to change your entire life, your entire contour with this. This is peanuts, actually. And whatever you may do, this is like a convergence of your entire efforts and contribution that you have done your entire life has to go into a single document. So don't look at 2 ,000 pages as pages or number of pages. It is a convergence of your entire effort that you have.

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Tom Finn (19:15.378)

Wow. Yeah, that's, that's a pretty good, fair cost. 3,500 bucks essentially, if you want the rushed, uh, timeline and you can submit it and you can do all the work yourself or you can work with sort of a consultant like you, Ranjeet, that will help somebody go through the process, right? And understands the laws and how to make it work. Cause I think what, what you're looking for, if you're spending the 3,500 bucks is a yes, I would imagine you're looking for a yes.

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (19:44.357)

Absolutely. It's also you have to look at it from a perspective that how much thousands and thousands of dollars, hundreds of thousands of dollars we keep on spending on education. Traditionally, but there is a small thing I might like to share with you and this is going to be very important for our conversation today. There is a marked difference between our typical way how we look at success and what constitutes as EB1A as a success. Because typically our entire education system, the schools, colleges, we have been to from masters, PhD, we all do, are especially after the Industrial Revolution way back in mid -century, in I think 14th, 15th century. I think we have been trained that we need to do a job, work for somebody and how to earn money. So typically what we define success in our life is you have a nice car, have a good wife or husband have a wonderful house, raise kids and have a good job. Money comes to you every month. We work for whatever, eight, 10, 15, 20 hours. Somebody who has, you know, toil hard. Somebody are fortunate, you know, they enjoy their job. And this is typically what constitutes a success in our terms. Neighbor has Tesla, we have Rolls Royce, our neighbor has Maybach. So, no, we just compare it that something. But trust me, for the purpose of EB1A, that's not the success.

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The success from an EB1A perspective is that what is the impact factor that you have done on the world? Now, I always tell my students that, okay, don't look at, you know, only your success metric, define your success in your field of expertise as what you have done for yourself. It is, I always tell them to kind of write on a one page, no matter what you are. I mean, there are people from Ivy leagues, there we have people from working with the top fortune 10 companies, like, you know, you name a company, we have students from there in our program. I always tell them that, OK, write on a piece of paper, OK, fine. How would the world look like without you? How do you perceive world to be without you? Rather than making a case that why you should be getting a green card, just think from that perspective. 

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Now let's look at truly an extraordinary people in their own right. Let's look at them how they look like. Let's again, I will come back to the same example of Elon Musk actually here. OK, now if how would the world look like? There won't be any open AI. There won't be space exploration possibility in this part of the world in this century right now. Okay, we may not have had PayPal. There are thousands, we may not have autonomous vehicle like Tesla in this world without you, it must not be there. Okay, now what is your impact factor? What do you stand for? What is the world without you? If you can answer that question, it's scary because we feel sometimes even the spirituality or other things tell us to be very inconsequential in the world that you are an overall partner. But I think we have played, we are born for a particular purpose. So if you are able to articulate that to yourself at least, that helps us to define our purpose for the purpose of your EB1A. Does that make sense?

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Tom Finn (22:46.45)

It does. Yeah, I like looking at it on a global scale. What would the world be like without you? I think that's a nice way to say it and a really calm and sensible way to think about this. Although, like you said, a little scary when you think about it that way, right? What have I done? How much have I done? What type of work have I contributed to a global audience? That's a tough question to answer.

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (23:11.749)

And here, another point is that whatever you think you have achieved success is of no consequence.

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Tom Finn (23:18.834)

Yeah, that probably doesn't feel good, Ranjeet. If somebody said whatever success you've had has no consequence. But I...

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (23:26.245)

And on the world. It's not about because the EB1A green card you are getting it because of your extraordinary. It is though it is not to a human potential endeavor, which I still agree it's not the intent of the US government to seek a person of that caliber, but to seek a person that he has risen to the top in his field of endeavor. So from that particular perspective, it makes sense. So you have to be good at what you do, the best at what you do. Okay. Not the superior in what you do. Not necessary.

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Tom Finn (23:53.842)

What's the hardest part when people get awarded a visa of this magnitude? What is the hardest part for them? Is it leaving home? Is it arriving to a new country on your own? What's assimilating into local culture, picking where to live? What's the hardest part for these smart folks?

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (24:14.309)

Okay, let me tell you, there are two kinds of people who would come to me. In fact, 90 % of the people are already inside the US on work visas right now. So they are already inside the USA, embedded the culture, embedded the society, and they have already lived half of their lives paid taxes to the US with SSN. For them not getting a green card is kind of binding them to the leash actually. And getting a green card unleashes them to do better. Because if you are on a work visa inside the US, you are prohibited from doing activities beyond your job. You can't do a gig, you can't travel outside the US without conditions. You can't go back home anytime you want. You can't meet your parents. Sometimes there are cases we have seen people have not met their relative friends, families, way back in certain countries like India, for example, for maybe three, four, five years. So it's not only about that gives learning opportunity or from a financial perspective, it becomes good as an opportunity. But from social, it's like connecting back with your home also. So it's most of the people who are there, almost, I think, 95%, I would say that they are already inside the USA and they have imbibed. So it is more imperative, imperative for them to kind of work towards it and become the person what EB1A Green Card warrants.

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Tom Finn (25:48.434)

Yeah, that's an interesting way to look at it. I don't think I thought about it in that frame that most of the folks that are going for these green cards in your experience are already on US soil doing work at a very high level for their industry. They're just haven't yet been recognized for this particular accomplishment that comes with it. You know, a whole host of benefits and a green card that allow you to stay for a longer period of time.

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (26:20.933)

Absolutely. And I think they can be a if they work hard, they can be a great asset to the United States. And already, I said, as I said, that we already have 15 of them in our program. And hopefully, there will be more in times to come. So that's how it is, actually. It's just a matter of but they have never been positioned themselves. As I said, there's another thing, you know, typically the people if they were to get a green card in any other way, they would never try.

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I mean, it is called an extraordinary ability green card. I always tell people that don't look at just as another green card. Look at this as an extraordinary opportunity to become the best version of yourself. Make your persuasive success story where even a green card becomes a milestone in your journey. So you are my coaching is not just about the green card, but it's not really a consulting in that sense. It's about you becoming the best version and put you on a success path where it is just like, you know, you get a green card as a byproduct of your work that you're already putting in.

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Tom Finn (27:24.754)

So where are most of these folks from that are getting these green cards? Is it Europe? Is it India? Is it Australia? Like where are people coming from that are taking these green cards and accessing them?

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (27:42.693)

Okay, most of the people would be from India. The second would be China. And because the reason being, and they're already on US soil, and they have already mostly from the tech field actually. So mostly they are from the tech field. Almost 90% or 95% of them would be engineers. Typically in an age group of anywhere from 25 to 50.

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Tom Finn (28:12.626)

That's a pretty big age group, Ranjeet. You're not exactly narrowing it down.

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (28:17.541)

Well, we because I would have loved to say 30 to 50 or 30 to 45 but recently we got somebody who is just 28 year old with and getting an Einstein visa is a great achievement. I have seen somebody who is a 23 year old getting it and we also got a lady who is 50 year old. So, so, you know, it's I would love to say 35 to 45. But since we have those two exceptions, I need to bring them rather than as inspiration for other people rather than just making these people as an exception.

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Tom Finn (28:50.962)

Yeah, fair. Yeah. And so maybe age is not really a qualifier. It really comes down to talent.

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (28:56.645)

Yeah, you know, another interesting thing I'm going to share with you. There are people now I told you that 23 year old and 28 year old have got it from the program, the EB1A Green Card. There are people at the same time from Ivy Leagues and other great institutions who are just, you know, even earning a million dollars, but not getting the EB1A Green Card and were having working with the top end companies. So it's not about how you, how much you earn or how much money you make or which company you make, what is your business title. In fact, let me put it this way. There's another perspective I have on this.

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Okay, the even a green card you can apply without a job without any money or without any labor certification without any money. Okay, so or without any sponsor or anybody the real test of becoming an extraordinary person. I would another test I would put in not the first I said that okay, what would the world would look like without you. Now the second test I would say is what are you without all these things. So let's take an example of again, my favorite example Elon Musk, let's say now you remove he was just man so many so much of degrees qualification. You remove 350 billion dollars from him Put him strip him down on the middle of the road one day take burn down his degrees take away his wealth Take away his companies I can promise you the true edge without his wealth without any money without any degrees without any business titles a truly extraordinary person can again rise from the top so if you take an example of a lot must in I can promise you in just another one year he will make if not 350 billion at least one or two billions. Does that make sense? So that's another test of you being a truly extraordinary ability.

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Tom Finn (30:30.532)

Yeah, I love that test. Strip everything away from someone. Can they actually put it all back together again with no resources, no revenue, and just start over and build something truly extraordinary? And that's a great test as well. I think that makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. And the Elon Musk example is a good one because we can all visualize, you know, he doesn't own Tesla and he doesn't own X and, you know, and he's not doing anything with rockets. And now he's got to do it all over again. I think we'd all bet on Elon Musk.

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (31:00.037)

I'm sure a person like you and me would definitely if you have to invest with him, I'm ready to give him $100,000 tomorrow. Okay, fine. You make money and tell me how much you want.

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Tom Finn (31:10.002)

Yeah, exactly right. Exactly right. We'd all invest there for sure. So are there any other data points that we should be thinking about when we think about this specialized, very specialized visa and how it impacts sort of the workforce here in the US?

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (31:26.981)

I think, I mean, there are a lot of studies which have been done specifically on how immigrants have contributed not necessarily on EB1A, but EB1A, there are not too many people who get it. So let me tell you, it's not that, you know, you can just apply and you can get it. There is a very strict barrier of entry for this particular purpose. I mean, I think I told you about these two tests, but having given these two tests, you asked me a first question before that, you know, people talk about, you know, immigrants taking away the jobs and other things. Now, would you be willing to let go of these kind of people is something that the US has to ask, actually. So, in fact, I would say that, you know, this should be made aware more so that US can attract the best talent. It's not only another interesting thing I'm going to tell you, ask me about data point that not a single person I have seen.

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Because obviously, anybody as a coach, coach, I have not got any celebrity client who would have come to me with a ready, okay, I'm truly good as an extraordinary. Then I may not, I may be a wrong person for that, but I think they better go to a lawyer and just file their petition. But most of the people whom I'm getting are the kind of people who possibly would not have even dreamt of becoming a person of that excellence for the human being. You know, it's not about you being extraordinary, Tom, or extraordinary ability here. My message to everybody is that it's about you doing ordinary things in an extraordinary way that will make you eligible for the green card. So most of the people whom I have got for this particular purpose are people who would have otherwise, maybe it would have taken years for them to get, maybe five years, 10 years, and possibly they got it in one year or two years maximum being with me assisting them. I think that's the way I would like to look at it, is that the people started off from scratch completely, actually. Probably they thought in their lives they would never, you know, kind of fit into something called an Einstein Visa. And most of us kind of, as I said, that this is not an extraordinary ability green card, this is an extraordinary opportunity for you. And coming, I mean, working with the Next League Program has helped to manifest and open up their minds to a greater goals and greater success.

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So this program basically helps that, okay, if you think that you are the best and you have something to challenge your own frontiers, widen your horizons, then I'm there definitely to help anybody and everybody. So that's another important point from a data perspective.

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Tom Finn (33:57.106)

Yeah, beautifully said. You're there to help anybody that needs help with the genius visa. I like the word Einstein. I like the Einstein visa. That's a lot more sexy than EB1A. But thank you for the great work that you're doing. I did not know about this before getting a chance to research you and have you on the show. And I'm sure many didn't know that this even existed. And it seems like a great program that's got a lot of benefits for the individual and a lot of benefits also for the country. So wonderful that you're doing this good work, Ranjeet. Appreciate you sharing all this knowledge. Where can people hunt you down and find you if they want more information or my goodness, if they're a candidate perhaps for something like this and wanna get some advice from you, how can they get in contact?

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (34:46.373)

Absolutely. I have my LinkedIn profile available, Ranjeet Mudholkar. One could look for me or otherwise my website nextleagueprogram.com. I am always available.

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Tom Finn (34:55.442)

Yeah, and we'll put Ranjeet's notes in the show notes with his LinkedIn information and of course his website where you can track him down. Ranjeet, thank you so much for being on the show. It's great to have you on the Talent Empowerment Podcast.

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Ranjeet S Mudholkar (35:09.285)

It's wonderful and it's my great honor and pleasure, Tom, and thank you for having me.

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Tom Finn (35:14.354)

Thank you, my friend.