#MeToo - Gray Areas of Sexual Harassment

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[tom]: My guess today is Jane Morrin. We are thrilled to have you on the talent empowerment

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[tom]: podcast Welcome to the show, Jana.

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[jana_morrin]: Thank you for having me time. I'm excited to be here.

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[tom]: Well, if you don't know, Janna is the Ceo and co founder of Speakfully Speakfully gives

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[tom]: employees a safe supportive way to speak up, and empowers employers with data and

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[tom]: analytics to take action before it's too late. with their anonymous workplace reporting

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[tom]: platform, you can find all of the information aboutfully at w, w w dot speakfully dot

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[tom]: com. So Ja, we are very excited to have you on the show today. Let's just start with

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[tom]: your story. How did you start speakfully And what was the background in relation to

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[tom]: this endeavour?

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[jana_morrin]: Yeah, happy, happy to be here like I said, Uh, yeah, so speakfully I was

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[jana_morrin]: created a few years back. Um, based off of a personal experience that I had of

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[jana_morrin]: my own in the work place, Um. unfortunately, I had um, an event where I was

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[jana_morrin]: harassed by my superior at the organization that I was at and ended up leaving

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[jana_morrin]: there because of that experience that I had, and when I left that organization,

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[jana_morrin]: Uh, reflected a lot on. You know what I wish I would have had as a as an

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[jana_morrin]: employee going through that during those times, Uh, but also what I wish the

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[jana_morrin]: organization would have had in order for me to come forward sooner than which

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[jana_morrin]: than what I did. Um, Which was Day of exit, which is, you know, not in my

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[jana_morrin]: character, not my nature, not something that I um, would ever do or think that

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[jana_morrin]: I would would do. Um. and that's you know how speakfully was formed. Uh, we

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[jana_morrin]: wanted to be able to you know, provide a safe private way for employees to be

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[jana_morrin]: able to speak up. have a voice. Um, and feel comfortable doing so. but also you

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[jana_morrin]: know, Give um the organization some real time de analytic so that they you know

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[jana_morrin]: can get in front of those small issues before they become big problems, like

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[jana_morrin]: you see, you know, in the press almost on a daily basis. Unfortunately, now,

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[jana_morrin]: Um, and that's kind of how we came to be. You know, you look at those. Well, I

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[jana_morrin]: remember the day that I, when I was experiencing these things, I knew that we

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[jana_morrin]: had a a traditional workplace reporting hotline. Uh, and I didn't use it. And

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[jana_morrin]: so I thought a lot about. Why didn't I use that? you know? Um. What are some of

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[jana_morrin]: the main reasons why people don't use those because most people don't um, and

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[jana_morrin]: and solved for that problem, Speakefully,

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[tom]: So so you knew that there was existing

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[jana_morrin]: Mhm,

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[tom]: components in place to support you, But they maybe a little dated like a classic Eight

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[tom]: Hundred number.

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[jana_morrin]: right,

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[tom]: Call your Hr team.

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[jana_morrin]: right,

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[tom]: Speak up,

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[jana_morrin]: Mhm.

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[tom]: and is there a sense that there were were not the resources in place

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[tom]: or the right culture to support you in in this environment.

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[jana_morrin]: Yeah, I mean,

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[jana_morrin]: I think you know A. as I, you know, reflect. Obviously, there's been tons of

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[jana_morrin]: reflection on that experience that I went through and um, and and talking to so

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[jana_morrin]: many people since the since the start of Speakfully, Um, and other other

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[jana_morrin]: individuals that are experiencing either now or currently have experienced

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[jana_morrin]: something similar to what I have. Um. It's not. It's not even necessarily that

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[jana_morrin]: that that there weren't any Um

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[jana_morrin]: tools in place. there were. but like I said it was, it is a an outdated tool.

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[jana_morrin]: Um. and there were tools that that weren't effective for lots of different

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[jana_morrin]: reasons, and I, I felt it didn't give the organization Uh what they needed in

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[jana_morrin]: order to be more proactive. Um, the employees themselves. You think about one

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[jana_morrin]: of those hot lines that you know, you call in a number which, first of all, no

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[jana_morrin]: one use his phones anymore, So that's you know. That's the way the world that

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[jana_morrin]: we live in at this time. Um. so that number one is going to be impactible. It's

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[jana_morrin]: going to prevent someone from using it just because of that, but also those

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[jana_morrin]: types of tools. Didn't um,

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[jana_morrin]: give the organizations any information to be able to be proactive about things.

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[jana_morrin]: So you know they can't have those ongoing conversations with employees because

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[jana_morrin]: they don't even know things that are are not happening. Because either, they're

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[jana_morrin]: not calling to, period, because it's not conducive, it's sterile. There's no

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[jana_morrin]: transparency. There's nothing there for the employees to trust it. Um, but

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[jana_morrin]: um, That about's like three of so many reasons, but the analytics piece of it

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[jana_morrin]: of being able to get some of that information. Um, allows the organizations to

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[jana_morrin]: have ongoing conversations with employees that they um, wouldn't know to have

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[jana_morrin]: otherwise, And you're thinking about an employee who's experiencing something

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[jana_morrin]: in that moment. If they're not hearing these ongoing conversations that are

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[jana_morrin]: going on then even if they do trust H, R, or they like H. r, it's still well,

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[jana_morrin]: what are they going to do Because they don't talk about it Except for that

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[jana_morrin]: first day that I started work and we were going through the handbook and they

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[jana_morrin]: told me what I should do. First of all, I don't remember what that is. Number

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[jana_morrin]: barely, I mean, I knew that there was a hot line, but that's all I remember or

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[jana_morrin]: knew about it. Um, but secondly, they, they ha, didn't have conversations

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[jana_morrin]: regularly about some of these harder conversations to have, because they might

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[jana_morrin]: not have known, and even if they did, they weren't doing it. so it didn make me

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[jana_morrin]: feel comfortable coming forward, and so with speakfully, we not only give the

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[jana_morrin]: employees you know a some ways to be able to feel more comfortable. It doesn't

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[jana_morrin]: go into a black hole, or's some communication that can have be had anonymously

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[jana_morrin]: with the employees even after they submit. But it's more about the analytics

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[jana_morrin]: that we can give to those orgs so that they can be able to have those ongoing

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[jana_morrin]: conversations or know what to have conversations about. Even

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[tom]: Well, look, I think this is a wonderful reason to start a company and the best company

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[tom]: come from founders with personal experience. I' incredibly sorry that you had to go

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[tom]: through that, but what I love is that you've pivoted your life's work into supporting

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[tom]: others so that they don't have to go through it in the future, which I think is just a

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[tom]: beautiful transition

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[tom]: from a from from a bad situation.

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[tom]: So I'm incredibly proud to talk to you today

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[jana_morrin]: yeah,

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[tom]: and hear more about her more about this. So let's let's jump into a term I've heard

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[tom]: before that I don't know the we're all familiar with. Maybe you can educate our

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[tom]: audience. I've heard this term grooming before in these types of settings. Can you? can

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[tom]: you help us understand that a little bit?

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[jana_morrin]: yeah, yeah, um,

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[jana_morrin]: you know, grooming is an interesting topic, as that is one of the primary

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[jana_morrin]: reasons where when I do talk to other people who' have experienced this since I

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[jana_morrin]: started the business. Uh, so many people can relate, So I did a blog series on

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[jana_morrin]: my experience specifically in detail. and when I did that, I talked about the

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[jana_morrin]: grooming experience that I had Um, with Uh, my superior, and it related with so

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[jana_morrin]: many people. Um, And that's what in you know, what made them reach out to me?

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[jana_morrin]: And so I do think it's an important topic to discuss so people understand what

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[jana_morrin]: it means. Um, So in in, you know if I use my, my example, Um, you know, there

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[jana_morrin]: was a a series of of

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[jana_morrin]: back the back of three months, four months of when I relocated for this

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[jana_morrin]: position was recruited to go uh to this company and this organization and work

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[jana_morrin]: for this person. And

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[jana_morrin]: Um, when I did that, Like I said, the biggest thing, or like I said, we've had

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[jana_morrin]: conversations before, But what I say a lot is that I, with my Um. Superior, I

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[jana_morrin]: felt like we had a great professional relationship. Um, for me personally, I am

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[jana_morrin]: a big um, advocate and big person of Um. You know my work being you know, being

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[jana_morrin]: super passionate about it, always a go getter, Um, very comp. What I'm doing

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[jana_morrin]: and really wanting to provide and help with the bottom line of the

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[jana_morrin]: organizations that I'm working for as much as possible. I don't have kids. I

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[jana_morrin]: moved there when I was thirty five. I had my dog. I was all just like I'm all

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[jana_morrin]: in, and I wanted heads down and be able to do all I can now. For the first

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[jana_morrin]: three four months that was great. Um. good professional relationship. My

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[jana_morrin]: superior was always Um. advocating for the different, my professional

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[jana_morrin]: development, which was super important to me, Um. and and where I could Um be

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[jana_morrin]: years down the line within that company itself, Um, but just in my career and

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[jana_morrin]: it was really exciting. it was great. Um. I felt like everything was going

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[jana_morrin]: great, and during that time when you start when you start building a good

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[jana_morrin]: relationship with your superior, the nice thing about that is you you build

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[jana_morrin]: some loyalty with that Like that's just kind of some loyalty. You trust each

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[jana_morrin]: other, And when each other is doing when it comes to work, And so

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[jana_morrin]: three or four months happened, That was what was going on for three, four

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[jana_morrin]: months, then after that, after you know three or four months hits, that's where

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[jana_morrin]: little things started happening That didn't make me feel comfortable. I knew

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[jana_morrin]: when it the first time something happened that I felt uncomfortable in my mind

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[jana_morrin]: the entire time. I'm thinking No, maybe I'm overthinking this.

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[jana_morrin]: Uh. oh, it, maybe being too sensitive. Um, That couldn't have been how he

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[jana_morrin]: meant. it couldn't have been. It was just a one off situation right. Um, And I

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[jana_morrin]: think when you talk about grooming, you don't know that it's happening until

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[jana_morrin]: the bad things start happening until the bad things start were starts taking

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[jana_morrin]: play. And so I think that's where people get in this really weird grey area.

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[jana_morrin]: It's not necessarily black and white. Um, A lot of times as you are feeling

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[jana_morrin]: like you have this loyalty towards somebody. Um, and then now they're kind of

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[jana_morrin]: slowly starting to a act differently, But it's not in a significant way each

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[jana_morrin]: time that it is confusing as a person

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[jana_morrin]: in the in that space, so it makes you feel a little crazy. Um, you feel crazy.

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[jana_morrin]: you know asking yourself all these questions and you're feeling shameful

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[jana_morrin]: guilty. You don't know why, Um, and it's because you're feeling you know

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[jana_morrin]: negatively towards this person who has been a person who has been a loyal to

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[jana_morrin]: you for three or four months, and and really trying to help you grow in your

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[jana_morrin]: career and what you're doing. So it's it's a conflicting thoughts that you're

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[jana_morrin]: having, And so those first three or four months is what we call grooming. It's

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[jana_morrin]: because this manipulator, um, someone who you know knows that they have this

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[jana_morrin]: impact as superior, someone in power, Um, you create this you know again

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[jana_morrin]: professional relationship. That that was was exactly what I was hoping for and

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[jana_morrin]: that I've had Pe in the past, were um superiors of who I've worked for and it's

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[jana_morrin]: worked out great, but it never led to the aftermath of that where weird things

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[jana_morrin]: start it happening, And that was just a continuous ongoing path. So it when

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[jana_morrin]: never was grooming 'cause it just is what it was. They were just great bosses,

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[jana_morrin]: and when it gets to the weird part then that's where it's like. Oh, okay, like

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[jana_morrin]: they set it up so that you will be confused when these things are happening.

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[jana_morrin]: You won't question it as much, or maybe you will, but you won't tell anyone.

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[jana_morrin]: because you're You're still trying to make sense to it yourself. So I think

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[jana_morrin]: that that's why

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[tom]: Yeah, yeah,

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[jana_morrin]: I wrote that blog to begin with was because I think that this could be

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[jana_morrin]: happening and could happen to a lot of people and they're just confused about

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[jana_morrin]: it and don't say anything because they are trying to make sense of it in their

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[jana_morrin]: own head.

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[tom]: and sharing your story is going to help so many others come forward as well that are

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[tom]: dealing with workplace harassment? And I think that's what we're all hoping for

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[jana_morrin]: Mhm,

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[tom]: Is that your story shed some light on this issue.

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[jana_morrin]: Right and it already has. Honestly, I've had so many people reach out to me

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[jana_morrin]: after reading that blog and they're either in tears because they didn't think

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[jana_morrin]: that anyone would understand and now they're really starting to understand what

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[jana_morrin]: it is that they went through or that they're currently going through. And a lot

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[jana_morrin]: of people these people haven't told anyone because they just don't know what it

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[jana_morrin]: is. And that's where it gets confusing to explain. Mean, Um, because a lot of

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[jana_morrin]: times too, it's not just a.

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[jana_morrin]: A. A, a very aggressive thing. it's it's kind of like it starts slow and then

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[jana_morrin]: it ends up building. And so someone really truly doesn't understand the story

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[jana_morrin]: until you tell them the twenty things that happened. If I told you one thing

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[jana_morrin]: that happened in my situation, you'd be like Okay, like that's that's not cool.

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[jana_morrin]: But if I told you the twenty, you'd be like, Oh, Okay, like that's that's

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[jana_morrin]: that's not cool. That's different and it's it's just a a pattern that just kind

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[jana_morrin]: of builds and it just leaves you feeling

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[tom]: It's the accumulation of bad behavior

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[jana_morrin]: exactly

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[tom]: that that causes the abuse, you know's death by a thousand paper cuts. So to speak,

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[tom]: where things are are compounding on one another, and taken as an individual event may

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[tom]: So what do you say to H.

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[tom]: Leaders would say we, we have an Um. Budsman, Uh, we have an eight hundred line.

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[jana_morrin]: right, but no one's coming to them and they're like. Oh, people just come to us

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[tom]: So it's really about ongoing conversations

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[tom]: so that you don't get sick.

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[jana_morrin]: right, right,

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[tom]: This is a prevention tool to help prevent it from happening in the first

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[tom]: place. And if it does, we' providing the privacy,

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[jana_morrin]: Mhm,

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[tom]: the the safe space,

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[jana_morrin]: right,

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[tom]: and Um, that ongoing dialogue back and forth in a two

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[jana_morrin]: Yep,

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[tom]: waying for somebody to solve the problem

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[jana_morrin]: Mhm,

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[tom]: in a way that's modern

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[jana_morrin]: right, right,

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[tom]: and differentiated.

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[jana_morrin]: exactly exactly. I mean, I think the ongoing conversations and the ability to

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[jana_morrin]: do that with the data that you have is crucial in order to bridge you that

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[jana_morrin]: grap, so that your employees do you feel more comfortable coming forward. I

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[jana_morrin]: mean,

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[jana_morrin]: you think about someone who's going. They don't know when they're going to go

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[jana_morrin]: through a. so like I go. You know, I went through the employee handbug per se

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[jana_morrin]: hire clearly, first say I hire, so I'm not experiencing anything that I need to

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[jana_morrin]: report. Hopefully, that's not the case for anyone right, But

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[jana_morrin]: you think about it and this happens how you know five months down the line and

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[jana_morrin]: you don't really know Because you haven't heard anything about it since that

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[jana_morrin]: first day hire. You kind of heard about it, but you don't really know. Haven't

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[jana_morrin]: heard anything else about it. But if I was continuously each month that our an

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[jana_morrin]: All hands were having a conversation about whatever the topic is, That you see

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[jana_morrin]: some some trends on within your organization, then I okay. Well, they're

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[jana_morrin]: talking about this regularly, And what I made me think about it at that moment,

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[jana_morrin]: Um, or at maybe the second or third time and then happen versus the thirtieth

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[jana_morrin]: right where I'm like. At that point I was done and I want to believe. I want

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[jana_morrin]: nothing to do with being there be cause. I was terrified at that point, so I

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[jana_morrin]: think that it's just a matter of if it's about um, preventative to your point,

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[jana_morrin]: Like you know, you are um trying to prevent Um, these small issues before they

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[jana_morrin]: become big ones like you've seen in the press or just like we' talk or me

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[jana_morrin]: leaving the day of accent. Um, You're trying to prevent that And how can we

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[jana_morrin]: prevent that And it's about trying to get them to report sooner. You can't make

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[jana_morrin]: pe. You can't force someone to behave a certain way. They people are their own

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[jana_morrin]: selves They're going to. They're going to behave. How are they're going to

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[jana_morrin]: behave? But what you can do is teach your employees what to look for. Uh, when

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[jana_morrin]: to come forward. How to come forward an ongoing basis, so that they can come

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[jana_morrin]: forward as soon as possible before they get to a A. You know, an exit point,

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[tom]: Yeah, that's fantastic, and that's greatage advice for an h. r leader that can start to

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[tom]: look at this. Perhaps a different way.

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[jana_morrin]: Mhm,

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[tom]: There haven't always been tools out there

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[tom]: that

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[tom]: focus on a digital component. Something that includes a lot of privacy, the ability to

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[tom]: go back and forth and support employees. And then, as you mentioned, uh, making sure

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[tom]: that the ongoing conversation is broad around the company, so that people don't feel

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[tom]: empowered to behave badly.

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[jana_morrin]: right, right,

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[tom]: We don't want that we want

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[jana_morrin]: right,

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[tom]: people to be empowered in their own success and their own talent, and be treated

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[jana_morrin]: Mhm,

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[tom]: fairly and with respect

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[jana_morrin]: right,

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[tom]: at all times. And so tell me, tell me just a little bit about speakfully Very

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[tom]: specifically, I mean we, we've talked about your story. We've talked about some the

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[tom]: background here, and an Hr. but tell me aboute, I mean, this is your life's work. You

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[tom]: have. you've pivoted into this space, and now you, you are really pressing forward. Let

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[tom]: us all know what you're doing with this organization.

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[jana_morrin]: yeah, yeah,

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[jana_morrin]: I mean, the biggest thing is you know we have two different products. Um, and

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[jana_morrin]: it's it's basically, you know, we again it all. app. It's all the same premise,

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[jana_morrin]: like we you know are created and save private place, place for employees to

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[jana_morrin]: speak up. Have a voice same on both platforms, giving the organization get an

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[jana_morrin]: analytics to be able to get in front of those issues. Um. so they's different,

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[jana_morrin]: Um. We felt that there is a need for two different kinds of of platforms As you

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[jana_morrin]: have Uh. employees that are out in the field that need to to es access

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[jana_morrin]: something Um quickly, So they can just use a ▁q r code. Scan it. It brings them

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[jana_morrin]: to where they need to go and they can just quick, go in and submit when run.

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[jana_morrin]: And then that's when, After that can anonymously communicate back and forth,

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[jana_morrin]: but then we have our more robust products where it's account based. Um can

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[jana_morrin]: implement into organization single sign ons, Um. and that one you know allows

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[jana_morrin]: for pulst surveys. Um gives the ability for organizations to put in resources

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[jana_morrin]: for their employees that they can go and find in that space. Uh, they can log

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[jana_morrin]: multiple experiences as an employee at one time and submit when ready. Um, and

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[jana_morrin]: then Um, gives the organization more importantly that preemptive analytics that

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[jana_morrin]: they wouldn't otherwise have and know you know what kind of what conversations

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[jana_morrin]: to have or priorities to make Um. without it. So those are the two. the two

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[jana_morrin]: things that we have now, Um. We are just continuously going with that we. we

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[jana_morrin]: hope to add in a bunch of more features, Um in the in the coming year, Uh that

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[jana_morrin]: it's just going to um. expand all of those those Um. features that I just

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[jana_morrin]: pointed out and and make them Um, even more, Uh, lucrative for an organization.

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[jana_morrin]: Give them some some um. Idea of what to do once they see the analytics kind to

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[jana_morrin]: add some things

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[tom]: Yeah,

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[jana_morrin]: in there like that. Um. and yeah, just keep building off of it because we're

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[jana_morrin]: excited to be getting into organizations. Um. provided that space and you know,

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[jana_morrin]: excited to keep doing that for

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[tom]: so who are your? Who are your customers? Now are they? The individuals are the

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[tom]: enterprises or the mid and small customers, or or companies. How help us understand who

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[tom]: your target market is,

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[jana_morrin]: Mhm.

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[tom]: and and where you really fit

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[tom]: from A

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[tom]: from from a software standpoint.

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[jana_morrin]: Yeah, so we. we have a free product. Just we have have a free product for

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[jana_morrin]: employees whose organizations don't have our product. It just allows you to go

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[jana_morrin]: in document time stamp it, Um, you can. You can export if for your files, if

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[jana_morrin]: you want to be able to take that p. d f, and give it to your or on your own.

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[jana_morrin]: Um, if they don't have it, like I said, Um.

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[jana_morrin]: Secondly, when it comes to the types of organizations we are industry agnostic

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[jana_morrin]: in the sense that we have a wide range of customers in different industries.

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[jana_morrin]: You know, considering that every organization who has employees should have a

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[jana_morrin]: platform like this, Uh, so we have Um, lots of different text we have uh, um,

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[jana_morrin]: advertising companies, tech companies,

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[jana_morrin]: Um,

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[jana_morrin]: sandwich shops, we have breweries which is a big one. We have lots of breweries

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[jana_morrin]: that are in the space now and we. There's a big me two movement in the brewin

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[jana_morrin]: industry this past summer, so we have a lot of breweries have come on board.

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[jana_morrin]: Um.

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[jana_morrin]: and yeah, so it's kind of like all over the board, Um insurance companies,

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[jana_morrin]: Uh, you know, it depends honestly on the organization and they', and, and on

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[jana_morrin]: their feeling of of what they want to be able to provide for their employees,

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[jana_morrin]: Um, and and size wise, Um, Anywhere you know, we would say our targets between

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[jana_morrin]: a hundred and five hundred employees, But we are all over the board again. We

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[jana_morrin]: have people. we have customers on both sides of that. Uh. that's just what

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[jana_morrin]: we've been getting in a lot. Uh, more recently.

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[jana_morrin]: and um, Yeah, so we're kind of all over the board right now. Um, we just have

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[jana_morrin]: so many different kinds of Um. organizations reaching out like I said, If you

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[jana_morrin]: have employees, you should have a platform like this, so um, we don't want to.

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[jana_morrin]: We don't want to Um, exclude anyone, you know,

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[tom]: Well, I, I think your your message of inclusiveity, uh, is loud and clear when you said

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[tom]: that we have a free version for individuals that do not have this available at their

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[tom]: own company.

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[jana_morrin]: Mhm,

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[tom]: So if you're listening and you're struggling and there's something happening uh, within

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[tom]: your organization, and your H R team has not uh purchasedfully yet, you can go to

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[tom]: Speakee dot com and work through the free version for yourself to help document

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[jana_morrin]: Mhm, Mhm,

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[tom]: what's going on and then start to start to feel empowered to take action.

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[jana_morrin]: Exactly,

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[tom]: So I, I think uh, that's a beautiful thing. I'm I'm guessing that comes directly from

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[tom]: the heart,

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[jana_morrin]: Yes, it certainly does.

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[tom]: Uh, from you, and and your experience,

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[jana_morrin]: Yes,

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[tom]: Um, which, which is which is why the best companies are founded by by people that have

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[tom]: life

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[jana_morrin]: Mhm,

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[tom]: experiences and and don't want others to go through that challenge.

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[jana_morrin]: rightly.

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[tom]: Um, So so kudo to you?

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[jana_morrin]: Yeah, And and it reads you A About

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[jana_morrin]: for me. It's I think about the times where I was in that moment in those

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[jana_morrin]: moments where I felt confused unsure I need some. I need a validation that what

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[jana_morrin]: I was going through actually was legitimately something. Um, and that's why we

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[jana_morrin]: created what we did as we wanted to be. I wanted to be able to help people

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[jana_morrin]: in those situations, make them feel more empowered like you said, and make them

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[jana_morrin]: feel not alone and in. And that is. It was a huge thing because it's a lonely

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[jana_morrin]: place if you aren't really entirely sure what's happening, so um, I'm happy to.

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[jana_morrin]: I wanted to be able to tell my stor specifically just for that reason, and Um

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[jana_morrin]: hope that it will continue to be able to Um,

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[jana_morrin]: get out there so people can can read it because it happens to so many people.

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[jana_morrin]: It's it's crazy.

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[tom]: Well, jeny're you're an absolute inspiration. Uh, the fact that uh, you are speaking

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[tom]: out about this and uh, putting it uh, in the public eye and making us all aware that

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[tom]: not only is it happening uh, but we're creating tools and resources to stop it from

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[tom]: happening, And you're giving those tools and resources to individuals and then adding

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[tom]: product Uh, with more layers to it for organizations to be able to manage. Manage this,

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[tom]: uh across, uh, across the organization is just fantastic, so um, I, I would like to

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[tom]: thank you so much for being on the show. I love your story. I love what you're doing

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[tom]: and uh, I wish you nothing but the utmost success. Uh with this project

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[jana_morrin]: Thank you so much time. I appreciate you having me.

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[tom]: well before before I let you go. Um. where can folks find you? If they wanted to get in

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[tom]: contact with you? They resonate with your message. They love what you're doing as much

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[tom]: as we do. Uh, where can they get in contact with you?

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[jana_morrin]: Yeah, so that haing. they like you had mentioned before, that can go to our

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[jana_morrin]: website on w. w. Wte dot com and they can find some email. Uh, hello at Speake

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[jana_morrin]: dot Com or Infoe Dot com. Either way they can get to hold me that way. Also you

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[jana_morrin]: go. My Linkn can message me on my linked in. It's Genmo and one word for the

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[jana_morrin]: tag in there.

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[jana_morrin]: ▁j A a M, o, r, r, I, N.

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[jana_morrin]: and yeah, that's probably the easiest way I would say Is is probably linked

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[jana_morrin]: honestly, but they can always go to the website. Find our email there if they

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[jana_morrin]: forget and will get it

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[tom]: Yep, absolutely fantastic. Um, thank you for sharing that. Thank you for sharing your

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[tom]: story and being on the T. Empowerment picast. We are thrilled to have you as a guest,

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[tom]: and uh, wish you, and speakfuly, nothing, uh, but success in the future as we look to

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[tom]: curb harassment at all levels, are in and out of organizations. Thank you so much.

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[jana_morrin]: some.

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