You Should NOT be in HR if...

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[Unknown7]: welcome to the talent empowerment podcast ladies and gents where we lift up people

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[Unknown6]: welcome to the talent empowerment podcast ladies and gents where we lift up people

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[Unknown7]: leaders so you can lift up your organizations i am your host tom finn and today i

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[Unknown6]: leaders so you can lift up your organizations i am your host tom finn and to day i

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[Unknown7]: have kelvin thomas in the room with me kelvin welcome to the show

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[Unknown6]: have kelvin thomas in the room with me kelvin welcome to the show awesome glad to

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[Unknown6]: be here tom thank you and hello everyone

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[Unknown7]: well if you don't know kelvin today he is the director of coaching experience at

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[Unknown6]: well if you don't know kelvin uh today he is the director of coaching experience

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[Unknown7]: leg up he is also an ic f certified professional coach himself

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[Unknown6]: at leg up he is also an ic f certified professional coach himself

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[Unknown7]: but he's had an interesting journey leading him into the coaching world which is

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[Unknown6]: but he's had an interesting journey leading him into the coaching world which is

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[Unknown7]: one reason we invited him onto the show today in his past lives kelvin was the vp

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[Unknown6]: one reason we invited him ono the show today in his past lives kelvin was the vp

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[Unknown7]: of business development and ops at pillar center for transformation and work

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[Unknown6]: of business development and ops at pillar center for transformation and work

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[Unknown7]: within the pillar college he was the head of retail marketing and in store present

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[Unknown6]: within the pillar college he was the head of retail marketing and in store

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[Unknown6]: presentation for small little company called under armor and the brand director

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[Unknown7]: for small little company called under armor and the brand director for another

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[Unknown6]: for another small little organization the body shop international kelvin we are so

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[Unknown7]: small little organization the body shop international kelvin we are so

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[Unknown6]: glad to have you on the show uh

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[Unknown7]: i have worked with you for a little over a year and uh have nothing but respect

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[Unknown6]: i have worked with you for a little over a year and have nothing but respect and

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[Unknown7]: and admiration so if you're listening out there you're gonna figure out pretty

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[Unknown6]: admiration so if you're listening out there you're gonna figure out pretty quickly

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[Unknown7]: quickly that kelvin and i know each other from working together for the past year

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[Unknown6]: that kelvin and i know each other from working together for the past year or so

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[Unknown7]: or so

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[Unknown7]: now

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[Unknown7]: calvin you've created measurable impact for employers you've created measurable

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[Unknown6]: now calvin you've created measurable impact for employers you've created

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[Unknown6]: measurable impact for leg up in our organization but

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[Unknown7]: impact for leg up in our organization but introduce yourself to everybody how how

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[Unknown6]: introduce yourself to everybody how how did this all get started for you yeah

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[Unknown7]: did this all get started for you

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[Unknown6]: thank you for asking you know it's it's interesting and totally appreciate what

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[Unknown6]: you just shared you know i think when i look back on my career i can see the

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[Unknown6]: impact that i made but

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[Unknown7]: but

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[Unknown6]: at the time maybe not so much so i started my career with a organization that's no

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[Unknown6]: longer around but kids are us i was working in um i had actually i'll give

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[Unknown6]: you the the story you tell me if you want me to cut

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[Unknown6]: but i was working um i went off to school i wasn't doing great at college and my

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[Unknown6]: father pretty much charged me like you need to come home because you're doing

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[Unknown6]: nothing there so i i came back home and i knew i needed to do and i needed to work

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[Unknown6]: so i started in the store

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[Unknown6]: months into working at kids us i was promoted into

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[Unknown6]: program to be an assistant manager and when i was promoted into that position i

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[Unknown6]: i really just felt like i really want to be in the corporate office i feel like

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[Unknown6]: that's the space that i

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[Unknown6]: would drive in and so i told my store manager and at

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[Unknown6]: laughed at me and told me that was a nice vision but

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[Unknown7]: they they laughed at you because you wanted to go from an in store role to being

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[Unknown6]: i laughed they laughed at you because you wanted to go from an in store role to

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[Unknown6]: being in a corporate office absolutely

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[Unknown7]: wow

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[Unknown6]: tell me that don't worry about that that won't happen for you and

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[Unknown6]: it was while three months later

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[Unknown6]: me that he had a temporary position

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[Unknown6]: so i came up filled the temporary role um and that started my corporate career he

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[Unknown6]: or us babies are us and toys of ust

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[Unknown6]: downsizings and mergers of those three brands and i was with them for seven years

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[Unknown6]: expand my understanding of the work that i was doing i really believe in

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[Unknown7]: that's true

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[Unknown6]: understanding the customer so wanted to understand the customer even more so i

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[Unknown6]: graphic design you name it i pretty much oversaw it

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[Unknown6]: except for product

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[Unknown6]: and it was a great experience because it took me from just kind of understanding

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[Unknown6]: consumer to taking a more international position that i was actually

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[Unknown6]: responsible for canada mexico and

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[Unknown7]: m yeah

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[Unknown6]: the u and i actually worked with

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[Unknown6]: the team in singapore as well

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[Unknown6]: before then moving on from there to work for as you said the for under armor

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[Unknown6]: which you know that small little brand there and i did working just building

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[Unknown6]: and it was really there that and i don't want to jump ahead of myself but there

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[Unknown6]: there was something else for me to do there was there was somewhere else that i

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[Unknown6]: needed to go that um that wasn't necessarily retail wasn't in that space anymore

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[Unknown7]: yeah

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[Unknown6]: and um and that kind of what's brought me into coaching

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[Unknown7]: well well let's pause there for a second because i you know if i'm listening to

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[Unknown6]: well well let's pause there for a second because you know if i'm listening to this

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[Unknown7]: this i'm thinking my goodness somebody laughed at you because you wanted to expand

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[Unknown6]: i'm thinking my goodness somebody laughed at you because you wanted to expand your

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[Unknown7]: your horizons grow your career

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[Unknown6]: horizons grow your career

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[Unknown7]: really move in the right direction for yourself and quite frankly the organization

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[Unknown7]: and you had people laughing at you

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[Unknown6]: and you had people laughing at you

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[Unknown7]: what was that like

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[Unknown6]: what was that like

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[Unknown7]: when in the moment and then how does that feel today when you look back on it

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[Unknown6]: when in the moment and then how does that feel today when you look back on it yeah

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[Unknown6]: it's a great question you know in the moment it's uh demoralizing to be honest

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[Unknown6]: and that's that's how i felt you know when you think about managers and leaders

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[Unknown6]: so you're looking for them to

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[Unknown6]: inspire you for them to say absolutely you know the sky is the limit

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[Unknown6]: and this was at the time a store manager that i reported to and another assistant

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[Unknown6]: and i just think about my journey as i work for the organization which was a great

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[Unknown6]: organization but at the same time you know i i faced a lot of challenges there

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[Unknown6]: where you know i trained individuals i was there for seven years i trained

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[Unknown6]: friend of mine who one day i'm complaining to her about you know how i'm working

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[Unknown6]: maybe you know calvin let's go out have some coffee it's okay and she sat me down

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[Unknown6]: and said calvin i just want to

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[Unknown6]: let you know you do know you're responsible for your career

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[Unknown7]: wow what a line you're responsible for your own career she's a hundred percent

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[Unknown6]: wow what a line you're responsible for your own career she's a hundred percent

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[Unknown7]: right by the way

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[Unknown7]: she nailed it how did how did that sit

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[Unknown6]: she nailed it how did how did that sit oh my god i i don't think i spoke to her

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[Unknown6]: for a couple of weeks i mean i was so angry i couldn't believe that she said it to

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[Unknown6]: me however when it actually landed when when that awareness hit it was like

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[Unknown6]: exactly what you said wow you are still correct i am responsible for my career and

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[Unknown6]: once once i actually took hold of my career um it's been an amazing ride like

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[Unknown7]: yeah i think the takeaway for people leaders here though is don't laugh at anybody

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[Unknown6]: yeah yeah i think the takeaway for people leaders here though is don't laugh at

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[Unknown7]: along the journey when they have dreams and aspirations whether you're managing a

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[Unknown6]: team in a retail environment or you're in a very serious corporate environment

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[Unknown7]: we all have dreams and aspirations my goodness that's what this country and this

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[Unknown6]: we all have dreams and aspirations my goodness that's what this country and this

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[Unknown7]: world is is based on is people growing themselves and

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[Unknown6]: world is based on is people growing themselves and

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[Unknown7]: trying to do more certainly

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[Unknown7]: for all of us and so you know my take is gosh that i'm sorry that that happened to

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[Unknown7]: i'm genuinely sorry because i think that's

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[Unknown6]: genuinely sorry because i think that's

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[Unknown7]: you know misplaced uh behavior in in the workplace for sure but it sounds like you

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[Unknown6]: you know misplaced behavior in the workplace for sure but it sounds like you took

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[Unknown6]: lemons you made some lemonade right and then

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[Unknown7]: and then somebody helped you really understand that you're in charge of of your

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[Unknown6]: and then somebody helped you really understand that you're in charge of your

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[Unknown7]: career

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[Unknown6]: career yeah absolutely i think you know again in the moment didn't feel great but

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[Unknown6]: once i understood that it changed everything you know

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[Unknown7]: i don't know

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[Unknown6]: it i showed up differently at work you know i took responsibility and the other

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[Unknown6]: thing is that you know of those individuals that were around me that were mentors

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[Unknown6]: it made me really say okay yeah they're they're investing a lot in me and i want i

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[Unknown6]: want to show them yeah i'm gonna keep pushing like that investment you're gonna

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[Unknown6]: get a return on your investment

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[Unknown6]: and and so i think that just that was a

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[Unknown6]: huge change in my life and even in my career yeah

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[Unknown7]: wow so then you move on uh you go to other retail based organizations did you have

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[Unknown6]: wow so then you move on uh you you go to other retail based organizations did you

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[Unknown7]: a different experience

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[Unknown6]: have a different experience

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[Unknown7]: at under armor were you in bigger roles how did that feel you know years later

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[Unknown7]: you have something to sell

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[Unknown6]: and i know some may not agree with this but i truly believe what the ic f has done

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[Unknown6]: so we're not therapists so we don't want to go down that road and we're not sports

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[Unknown6]: when you've had a glass of red wine totally totally or when they or when they give

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[Unknown6]: guys it's very one sided i'm not sure whether if you see this or not or if if you

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[Unknown7]: yeah so let's unpack that a little bit so the i c f for those that don't know

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[Unknown7]: international coaching federation as kelvin mentioned is an organization really

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[Unknown6]: international coaching federation as kalvin mentioned is an organization really

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[Unknown6]: designed to set standards in the coaching space and it is for personal and

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[Unknown6]: professional coaching to improve the lives of others and there are real standards

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[Unknown7]: certainly something that as an organization legg up has relied on to make sure

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[Unknown7]: that the quality of the people that we engage with

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[Unknown6]: the quality of the people that we engage with

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[Unknown7]: is that a very high quality

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[Unknown6]: is that a very high quality

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[Unknown7]: you know just like an accountant or an attorney

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[Unknown6]: you know just like an accountant or an attorney

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[Unknown7]: in that space as a professional there are very professional coaches that take

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[Unknown7]: you do a great job so now i can step off my soapbox now that i've a public service

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[Unknown6]: you do a great job so now i can step off my soapbox now that i've public service

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[Unknown7]: announcement everybody

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[Unknown6]: announcement ever exactly let me step up my soapbox so let's let let's go back to

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[Unknown7]: let me step off my so box so let's let's go back to sort of your early career we

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[Unknown6]: sort of your early career we talked about don't box people in

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[Unknown7]: talked about don't box people in um really you know your past resume shouldn't

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[Unknown6]: really you know your past resume shouldn't prescribe your next role

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[Unknown7]: so you and i met a little over a year ago

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[Unknown6]: so you and i met a little over ago

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[Unknown7]: and you were working at a university at the time

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[Unknown6]: and you were working at a university at the time absolutely which is interesting

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[Unknown6]: in itself it's so interesting in

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[Unknown7]: it one

450
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[Unknown6]: that my entire career has been in retail and some level you know retail marketing

451
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[Unknown6]: branding those things and here i am at

452
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[Unknown7]: and

453
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[Unknown6]: a university

454
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[Unknown6]: my you know life journey takes me there i'm at a university

455
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[Unknown6]: where you know

456
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[Unknown7]: yeah

457
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[Unknown6]: i had i held several roles i was head of marketing i was the executive vice

458
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:07,200
[Unknown6]: president of that university literally overseeing all staff the entire team there

459
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[Unknown6]: and then um

460
00:19:08,451 --> 00:19:09,451
[Unknown7]: up

461
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:14,080
[Unknown6]: before transitioning into to le up i was the vice president of business

462
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[Unknown6]: development and operations for

463
00:19:15,571 --> 00:19:16,571
[Unknown7]: well

464
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[Unknown6]: the organization and so there's nothing

465
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[Unknown7]: let me

466
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,040
[Unknown6]: what's interesting there's nothing in my past that would suggest

467
00:19:23,411 --> 00:19:24,411
[Unknown7]: the

468
00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,920
[Unknown6]: that i would be there nothing

469
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[Unknown7]: um

470
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[Unknown6]: and which

471
00:19:27,491 --> 00:19:28,491
[Unknown7]: but

472
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,160
[Unknown6]: i also kind of it for me it's

473
00:19:29,811 --> 00:19:30,811
[Unknown7]: right

474
00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:35,200
[Unknown6]: like you know we have to release these limiting beliefs of

475
00:19:35,231 --> 00:19:36,751
[Unknown7]: how one so

476
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:41,200
[Unknown6]: what someone can bring um to us and the value that they can add and i think you

477
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,840
[Unknown6]: know that move from me into the university was

478
00:19:43,491 --> 00:19:44,491
[Unknown7]: was

479
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:49,440
[Unknown6]: all about that it was about releasing for myself limiting beliefs you know i maybe

480
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:55,200
[Unknown6]: couldn't show up there or what i possibly couldn't do there but then also for the

481
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,360
[Unknown6]: members of and staff there

482
00:19:57,391 --> 00:19:58,511
[Unknown7]: eight two

483
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,160
[Unknown6]: to you know not limit me

484
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:02,720
[Unknown6]: based on my background

485
00:20:04,911 --> 00:20:08,911
[Unknown7]: yeah look everybody has a story and a journey i think i think what we're saying if

486
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,520
[Unknown6]: yeah look everybody has a story and a journey i think i think what we're saying if

487
00:20:08,911 --> 00:20:12,511
[Unknown7]: you're managing people if you're hiring people

488
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,120
[Unknown6]: you're managing people if you're hiring people

489
00:20:13,551 --> 00:20:18,031
[Unknown7]: you really should look for incredible character in the person

490
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,480
[Unknown6]: you really should look for incredible character in the person

491
00:20:19,071 --> 00:20:20,751
[Unknown7]: and some track record of success

492
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,280
[Unknown6]: and some track record of success

493
00:20:21,651 --> 00:20:22,651
[Unknown7]: but look for

494
00:20:22,180 --> 00:20:23,180
[Unknown6]: but look for

495
00:20:23,411 --> 00:20:24,411
[Unknown7]: the person

496
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,360
[Unknown6]: the person that is going fit well in your team that is

497
00:20:24,591 --> 00:20:28,351
[Unknown7]: that is going to fit well in your team that is going to fit well at that

498
00:20:28,511 --> 00:20:31,951
[Unknown7]: point in time in your organization and that's going to get along really well with

499
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,000
[Unknown6]: at that point in time in your organization and that's going to get along really

500
00:20:31,951 --> 00:20:37,311
[Unknown7]: their coworkers and then the other comment i would make is you look for a gs d

501
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,040
[Unknown6]: well with their coworkers and then the other comment i would make is you look for

502
00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:43,200
[Unknown6]: a gd profile and if you don't know what that is ear muffs if you're under eighteen

503
00:20:37,551 --> 00:20:43,151
[Unknown7]: profile and if you don't know what that is earmuffs if you're under eighteen a gs

504
00:20:43,231 --> 00:20:48,431
[Unknown7]: d profile get done it just means that you come to work with some energy and some

505
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,600
[Unknown6]: a gs d profile get done it just means that you

506
00:20:48,511 --> 00:20:53,951
[Unknown7]: fire and you are looking forward to being there and getting things done and so

507
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,440
[Unknown6]: energy and some fire and you are looking forward to being there and getting things

508
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,840
[Unknown6]: done and so that's what i look for the gs dd profile with a lotta kindness

509
00:20:53,951 --> 00:20:59,391
[Unknown7]: that's what i look for the gs d profile uh with a lot of kindness sprinkled in and

510
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:58,880
[Unknown6]: sprinkled in

511
00:20:59,471 --> 00:21:00,671
[Unknown7]: a lot of talent as well

512
00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:01,200
[Unknown6]: and a lot of talent as well

513
00:21:01,791 --> 00:21:05,391
[Unknown7]: along the way so i think that's the takeaway really kelvin

514
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,320
[Unknown6]: along the way so i think that's the takeaway really really kelvin yeah

515
00:21:06,591 --> 00:21:09,231
[Unknown7]: so tell me about leg up you run the

516
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,000
[Unknown6]: so tell me about leg up you run the

517
00:21:10,271 --> 00:21:12,031
[Unknown7]: global network of coaches

518
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,560
[Unknown6]: global network of coaches

519
00:21:13,071 --> 00:21:14,911
[Unknown7]: for leg up how how does that work

520
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,480
[Unknown6]: for leg up how does that work yes so

521
00:21:16,891 --> 00:21:17,891
[Unknown7]: i get

522
00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:23,280
[Unknown6]: it's interesting i was thinking about this prior to us getting on the line is how

523
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:29,600
[Unknown6]: my entire background totally fits in this role that i'm in right so my marketing

524
00:21:29,980 --> 00:21:30,980
[Unknown6]: business development

525
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:37,280
[Unknown6]: operations role all of those things it's a perfect package in the work that i do

526
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,560
[Unknown6]: today and so in overseeing this you know

527
00:21:40,211 --> 00:21:41,211
[Unknown7]: no

528
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,880
[Unknown6]: global network of coaches is

529
00:21:42,691 --> 00:21:43,691
[Unknown7]: right

530
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:44,960
[Unknown6]: really to build out you know

531
00:21:44,611 --> 00:21:45,611
[Unknown7]: yeah

532
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,440
[Unknown6]: i build out a team of coaches to support our

533
00:21:47,011 --> 00:21:48,011
[Unknown7]: what

534
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,080
[Unknown6]: enterprises and our enterprises and the members

535
00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,600
[Unknown6]: that enroll in our programs and what's important

536
00:21:53,711 --> 00:21:56,511
[Unknown7]: what is one one

537
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,800
[Unknown6]: is to ensure that we have coaches on the network

538
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,480
[Unknown6]: that not only are i cf i think that's you know a lot of times i don't want to make

539
00:22:02,180 --> 00:22:03,180
[Unknown6]: that

540
00:22:02,291 --> 00:22:03,291
[Unknown7]: exact

541
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,560
[Unknown6]: the only standard that

542
00:22:04,131 --> 00:22:05,131
[Unknown7]: that

543
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,960
[Unknown6]: is one of the standards you know i think someone who has a

544
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:14,560
[Unknown6]: professional background that can relate to individuals where they are they have

545
00:22:09,451 --> 00:22:10,451
[Unknown7]: six by

546
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,440
[Unknown6]: their own story of triumph right

547
00:22:17,291 --> 00:22:18,291
[Unknown7]: right and

548
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,640
[Unknown6]: they understand or they're in that process of understanding themselves because

549
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:23,920
[Unknown6]: that's the first thing you have

550
00:22:23,491 --> 00:22:24,491
[Unknown7]: one

551
00:22:23,740 --> 00:22:24,740
[Unknown6]: to understand

552
00:22:24,691 --> 00:22:25,691
[Unknown7]: seven

553
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,680
[Unknown6]: yourself to be able to help and to understand others and so our coaches are

554
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:36,400
[Unknown6]: constantly trained we do a monthly webinar teaching them all types of skills to be

555
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,040
[Unknown6]: able to really help our members and those enterprises unlock potential

556
00:22:41,411 --> 00:22:42,411
[Unknown7]: and

557
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:47,120
[Unknown6]: and you know i think you know that word and even that phrase unlike potential we

558
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,100
[Unknown6]: hear it so much

559
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,720
[Unknown6]: but that's exactly what it is it's everyone has more

560
00:22:52,451 --> 00:22:53,451
[Unknown7]: what

561
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,520
[Unknown6]: that they can bring to the table there's more

562
00:22:55,171 --> 00:22:56,171
[Unknown7]: what

563
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,840
[Unknown6]: that they can do and not so much from a work persp more work that they can do but

564
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:01,200
[Unknown6]: yes they can be more productive

565
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,640
[Unknown6]: but they can really help to add to the growth and the development of the

566
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:12,240
[Unknown6]: organization but they have to be unlocked there's there's spaces and places within

567
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,880
[Unknown6]: us that hold us back from bringing all of ourselves to to the table

568
00:23:17,311 --> 00:23:22,991
[Unknown7]: what do you say to hr leaders that respond and think that's hokey right i mean

569
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:23,520
[Unknown6]: what do you say to hr leaders that respond and think that's hokey right i mean

570
00:23:23,231 --> 00:23:26,431
[Unknown7]: there's there's gotta be a portion of people out there i can tell you i've talked

571
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,040
[Unknown6]: there's there's got to be a portion of people out there i can tell you i've talked

572
00:23:26,511 --> 00:23:30,671
[Unknown7]: to them that think well coaching do i really want to help my people

573
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,280
[Unknown6]: to them that think well coaching do i really want to help my people

574
00:23:31,711 --> 00:23:36,991
[Unknown7]: is this a real serious science is it going is it really going to develop anybody

575
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:37,520
[Unknown6]: is this a real serious science is it gonna is it really going to develop anybody

576
00:23:37,791 --> 00:23:39,151
[Unknown7]: what do you say to those folks

577
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:39,600
[Unknown6]: what do you say to those folks

578
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,840
[Unknown6]: well that makes me nervous because i hope that you're not the leader of people

579
00:23:45,491 --> 00:23:46,491
[Unknown7]: it

580
00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:47,260
[Unknown6]: um

581
00:23:47,171 --> 00:23:48,171
[Unknown7]: uh

582
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:53,600
[Unknown6]: because to question if an investment and someone's development is going to yield

583
00:23:53,340 --> 00:23:54,340
[Unknown6]: results

584
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,360
[Unknown6]: or if that's going to help and especially from the coaching perspective which i

585
00:23:54,031 --> 00:23:55,711
[Unknown7]: so oh that's

586
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,280
[Unknown6]: think there's enough statistics and enough information out there and if you have

587
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:05,840
[Unknown6]: any questions just go visit the leg up site and you can see for yourself

588
00:24:05,791 --> 00:24:07,871
[Unknown7]: so that this is the

589
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,400
[Unknown6]: it's it makes measurable

590
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,440
[Unknown6]: differences there you can

591
00:24:11,411 --> 00:24:12,411
[Unknown7]: yeah

592
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,040
[Unknown6]: literally measure the difference

593
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,720
[Unknown6]: for an individual when they start a coaching from when they start a coaching

594
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,120
[Unknown6]: program to the end of their coaching program and you can see how that needle is

595
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:28,800
[Unknown6]: being moved so yeah i would i would ask you to reconsider um one

596
00:24:28,371 --> 00:24:29,371
[Unknown7]: what

597
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,560
[Unknown6]: in all kindness and all fairness won the role that you're in because maybe that's

598
00:24:34,340 --> 00:24:35,340
[Unknown6]: not the right

599
00:24:35,231 --> 00:24:38,591
[Unknown7]: that's right yeah if you're thinking that that you don't want to help your people

600
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,040
[Unknown6]: role that's right yeah you' thinking that that you don't want to help your people

601
00:24:38,991 --> 00:24:43,311
[Unknown7]: maybe maybe you are in the wrong job in a nice way that we don't want to take jobs

602
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,840
[Unknown6]: maybe maybe you are in the wrong job in a nice way that we don't want to take jobs

603
00:24:43,551 --> 00:24:47,951
[Unknown7]: that aren't good for us either right we want to be in roles that lift us up and

604
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,760
[Unknown6]: that that aren't good for us either absolutely we want to be in roles that lift us

605
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,080
[Unknown6]: up and our organizations and if people are feeling that way there's probably a

606
00:24:48,111 --> 00:24:51,711
[Unknown7]: our organizations and if people are feeling that way there's probably a different

607
00:24:51,951 --> 00:24:54,671
[Unknown7]: job within the organization that would be better for them

608
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,760
[Unknown6]: different job within the organization that would be better for them yeah you know

609
00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,160
[Unknown6]: tom what's interesting and you know sometimes when we're speaking to hr leaders we

610
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,440
[Unknown6]: we come across this you know i think any most people i would say majority of the

611
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,600
[Unknown6]: people that move into these hr positions

612
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,360
[Unknown6]: actually they have a great concern for people and they want to see them grow they

613
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,800
[Unknown6]: want to see them develop however once they get into the role they're so bog down

614
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:20,020
[Unknown6]: with compliance

615
00:25:20,131 --> 00:25:21,131
[Unknown7]: yeah

616
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:26,000
[Unknown6]: and making sure that i've crossed all you know crossed all the tss and i doted all

617
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,520
[Unknown6]: the eyes and that you know

618
00:25:27,091 --> 00:25:28,091
[Unknown7]: you

619
00:25:27,460 --> 00:25:28,460
[Unknown6]: that the company

620
00:25:28,211 --> 00:25:29,211
[Unknown7]: me

621
00:25:28,420 --> 00:25:29,420
[Unknown6]: isn't at risk

622
00:25:29,331 --> 00:25:30,331
[Unknown7]: nine

623
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:36,000
[Unknown6]: to a lawsuit that we sometimes put the people part of it the human part of it

624
00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:37,900
[Unknown6]: last

625
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,160
[Unknown6]: or sometimes we forget completely about it and i you know a lot of times when

626
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,400
[Unknown6]: we're talking to hr leaders and they hear what coaching can do and they see how we

627
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,840
[Unknown6]: partner they're excited because they realize yeah this is this is what i've always

628
00:25:51,780 --> 00:25:52,780
[Unknown6]: wanted to do

629
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,360
[Unknown6]: and i've just been so focused on something else and not that that's something else

630
00:25:57,180 --> 00:25:58,180
[Unknown6]: isn't important

631
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,920
[Unknown6]: but it's taken my eye off the ball of developing people and and seeing people grow

632
00:26:05,151 --> 00:26:11,151
[Unknown7]: yeah i agree i i think the compliance piece has been a heavy burden on hr leaders

633
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:11,680
[Unknown6]: yeah i agree i i think the compliance piece has been a heavy burden on hr leaders

634
00:26:11,311 --> 00:26:15,471
[Unknown7]: for a couple of decades and it continues to be a weight

635
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,760
[Unknown6]: for a couple of decades and it continues to be a way

636
00:26:16,171 --> 00:26:17,171
[Unknown7]: for these

637
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,640
[Unknown6]: for these individuals and quite frankly i think that belongs

638
00:26:17,151 --> 00:26:22,911
[Unknown7]: individuals and quite frankly i think that belongs in with the legal team and i

639
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,320
[Unknown6]: with the legal team and i think legal teams should be handling compliance and you

640
00:26:22,991 --> 00:26:27,951
[Unknown7]: think legal teams should be handling compliance and you can beef up your associate

641
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,040
[Unknown6]: can beef up your associate level of a legal team without it costing you much more

642
00:26:28,111 --> 00:26:32,991
[Unknown7]: level of a legal team without it costing you much more and you give people

643
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:37,680
[Unknown6]: and you give people development and people operations to these wonderful people

644
00:26:33,231 --> 00:26:37,711
[Unknown7]: development and people operations to these wonderful people leaders

645
00:26:37,580 --> 00:26:38,580
[Unknown6]: leaders

646
00:26:38,831 --> 00:26:42,191
[Unknown7]: that are really thinking outside the box and quite frankly it's really about

647
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,640
[Unknown6]: that are really thinking outside the box and quite frankly it's really about

648
00:26:42,351 --> 00:26:47,711
[Unknown7]: innovation today in how we treat people and how how we empower

649
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:48,160
[Unknown6]: innovation today in how we treat people and how we how we empower

650
00:26:49,391 --> 00:26:53,631
[Unknown7]: organizations and employees versus point the finger and tell them what the what to

651
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:54,240
[Unknown6]: organizations and employees versus point the finger and tell them what what to do

652
00:26:53,251 --> 00:26:54,251
[Unknown7]: do

653
00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:00,880
[Unknown6]: well i would go as far as to say i think that the those days are over you know if

654
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,400
[Unknown6]: we didn't if we're not you know reading the tea leaves if you will from what has

655
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,760
[Unknown6]: happened through this experience with covid and the number of employees that are

656
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:17,280
[Unknown6]: leaving you know leaving companies that have been there for years or the companies

657
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,560
[Unknown6]: that can't find talent and they can't bring people in and part of it is because

658
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,800
[Unknown6]: people want to know that you're investing in them

659
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:31,040
[Unknown6]: people want people wanna be where they i i always say this i say i've said this

660
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:34,000
[Unknown6]: for years where they are seen and they are heard

661
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:40,240
[Unknown6]: and if they know that their organization sees them and if they know that their

662
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,240
[Unknown6]: organization hears them and that's not just you see me i'm walking down the

663
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,440
[Unknown6]: hallway and you say hi which is nice but that's not being seen or you know that

664
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,960
[Unknown6]: you hear me because you know one day in some you know talent hall meeting that you

665
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,360
[Unknown6]: know i raised my hand and gave feedback okay you know i'm hearing you no but

666
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:05,040
[Unknown6]: you're you're seeing me as a person you're seeing the value that i add and we're

667
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:10,000
[Unknown6]: creating a partnership to say you know what i want to invest in that i really see

668
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,480
[Unknown6]: you i see where you want to go i see where you want to develop or who you want to

669
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,400
[Unknown6]: develop into and yeah i want to be a part of that i

670
00:28:17,971 --> 00:28:18,971
[Unknown7]: yeah

671
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,280
[Unknown6]: think it's what's key is this whole idea and another thing i've always talked

672
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,640
[Unknown6]: about is when i join an organization including leg up when i joined for me it's

673
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,680
[Unknown6]: it' about a partnership it wasn't oh this is you know this is by employer because

674
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:39,040
[Unknown6]: we're doing two things the employer is bringing their resources right to pay you

675
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,720
[Unknown6]: and an opportunity for you to um use your gifts and talent and skill then at the

676
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:50,080
[Unknown6]: same time the employee is bringing their gifts their talents and their

677
00:28:50,011 --> 00:28:51,011
[Unknown7]: yeah yeah

678
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,720
[Unknown6]: skills yeah so that's the partnership we are part the partnership i always say the

679
00:28:52,191 --> 00:28:55,871
[Unknown7]: it's it the partnership i always say the same thing it's a two way street right

680
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,640
[Unknown6]: same thing it's a two way street right and i always tell this to people going into

681
00:28:56,511 --> 00:28:59,551
[Unknown7]: and i always tell this to people going into interviews whether you're going in for

682
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,480
[Unknown6]: interviews whether you're going in for an hr promotion or a different role at a

683
00:28:59,631 --> 00:29:03,631
[Unknown7]: an hr promotion or a different role at a different company or whatever it might be

684
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,800
[Unknown6]: different company or whatever it might be in in terms of an interview i was tell

685
00:29:04,431 --> 00:29:08,191
[Unknown7]: in in terms of an interview i was tell people look there's no reason to be nervous

686
00:29:06,620 --> 00:29:07,620
[Unknown6]: people look

687
00:29:08,431 --> 00:29:12,431
[Unknown7]: what you're looking for is fit you're looking for that organization to provide you

688
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,720
[Unknown6]: be nervous what you're looking for is fit you're looking for that organization to

689
00:29:12,591 --> 00:29:15,471
[Unknown7]: with the things that you need at that point in your life and they might be

690
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,760
[Unknown6]: provide you with the things that you need at that point in your life and they

691
00:29:15,551 --> 00:29:19,391
[Unknown7]: different from decade to decade you might need different things in your life

692
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,760
[Unknown6]: might be different from decade to decade you might need different things in your

693
00:29:19,460 --> 00:29:20,460
[Unknown6]: life

694
00:29:20,691 --> 00:29:21,691
[Unknown7]: and it's

695
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,200
[Unknown6]: and it's got to be a two way street so don't be nervous because you you should be

696
00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:25,231
[Unknown7]: got to be a two way street so don't be nervous because you should be interviewing

697
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,360
[Unknown6]: interviewing the employer as much

698
00:29:25,311 --> 00:29:30,591
[Unknown7]: the employer as much as the employer is interviewing you and i think some people

699
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:34,240
[Unknown6]: here is interviewing you and i think some people tend to feel like oh my gosh i'm

700
00:29:30,831 --> 00:29:36,911
[Unknown7]: tend to feel like oh my gosh i'm on the spot and i'm being interviewed and then we

701
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,120
[Unknown6]: on the spot and i'm being interviewed and then we get the nerves and the

702
00:29:37,071 --> 00:29:42,831
[Unknown7]: get the nerves and the anxiousness and the anxiety which really if you just the

703
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:44,320
[Unknown6]: anxiousness and the anxiety which really you if you just turn the cup a little bit

704
00:29:42,831 --> 00:29:46,511
[Unknown7]: cup a little bit and look at it a little bit differently i think you're you're

705
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,400
[Unknown6]: and look at it a little bit differently i think you're very much in the driver's

706
00:29:46,591 --> 00:29:48,751
[Unknown7]: very much in the driver's seat as an employee

707
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,840
[Unknown6]: seat as an employee yeah it's interesting you know i think about my transition to

708
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,320
[Unknown6]: my interview process even with leg up you know i connect it with you great

709
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,480
[Unknown6]: conversation then i connected

710
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,480
[Unknown6]: at that time with your senior vice president great conversation

711
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,520
[Unknown6]: and then we spoke again it was like okay who do you want to talk to i'm like okay

712
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,200
[Unknown6]: well i'd like to talk

713
00:30:10,851 --> 00:30:11,851
[Unknown7]: sure

714
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:16,160
[Unknown6]: to a few more people and we put that list together and those conversations were

715
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,520
[Unknown6]: they were so fulfilling first it was so telling of the type of organization i was

716
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:27,360
[Unknown6]: stepping into because nothing was off limits i could have spoken to anyone and i

717
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,600
[Unknown6]: spoke to a lot of individuals within the

718
00:30:29,491 --> 00:30:30,491
[Unknown7]: yeah

719
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,480
[Unknown6]: organization and a lot of it was just

720
00:30:32,051 --> 00:30:33,051
[Unknown7]: j

721
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,240
[Unknown6]: to get a feel for yeah

722
00:30:34,091 --> 00:30:35,091
[Unknown7]: yeah well

723
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,840
[Unknown6]: what do you like about this

724
00:30:35,951 --> 00:30:37,471
[Unknown7]: this this in

725
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,600
[Unknown6]: this place that you work and what motivates you and why do you keep coming back

726
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,560
[Unknown6]: and you know listen i know a lot of the technical things of what the sales team

727
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,760
[Unknown6]: needs to do and the marketing team and the tech team however it was it was more

728
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,360
[Unknown6]: than that i wanted to know what was happening for the people within the

729
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,000
[Unknown6]: organization and when i saw no there's a true investment and there's a true

730
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,240
[Unknown6]: concern for them it's like yeah this is this is what i want to be a part of

731
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,800
[Unknown6]: because i know what i'm bringing to the table right just

732
00:31:04,371 --> 00:31:05,371
[Unknown7]: yeah

733
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:11,360
[Unknown6]: like i think for hr leaders i think that's one thing that that's important you

734
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,440
[Unknown6]: know like you also want to know that the individual that you're interviewing they

735
00:31:15,380 --> 00:31:16,380
[Unknown6]: do have a

736
00:31:16,251 --> 00:31:17,251
[Unknown7]: i don't know

737
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,640
[Unknown6]: realization of what they're bringing to the table

738
00:31:18,531 --> 00:31:19,531
[Unknown7]: yeah

739
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,680
[Unknown6]: you know because that's what's going to make the difference well it's cultural

740
00:31:22,191 --> 00:31:25,871
[Unknown7]: well it's cultural right it's it's all about culture within an organization and

741
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,000
[Unknown6]: right it's all about culture within an organization and within a team and i've

742
00:31:25,951 --> 00:31:31,791
[Unknown7]: within a team and i've been in bad organizational cultures and wonderful team

743
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:34,400
[Unknown6]: been in bad organizational cultures and wonderful team cultures inside that

744
00:31:32,031 --> 00:31:37,231
[Unknown7]: cultures inside that organization and i've been in the opposite too i've been in

745
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,360
[Unknown6]: organization and i've been in the opposite too i've been in massive companies that

746
00:31:37,871 --> 00:31:42,271
[Unknown7]: massive companies that have incredible culture i just happened to be on a team

747
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,480
[Unknown6]: have incredible culture i just happened to be on a team that had maybe not the

748
00:31:42,911 --> 00:31:48,191
[Unknown7]: that had maybe not the best leader on it and or or quite frankly maybe the leader

749
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:50,320
[Unknown6]: best leader on it and or quite frankly maybe the leader just kept changing right

750
00:31:48,271 --> 00:31:53,311
[Unknown7]: just kept changing right and the organization had a great culture but i just was

751
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,120
[Unknown6]: and the organization had a great culture but i just was in a spot where i had new

752
00:31:53,471 --> 00:31:57,631
[Unknown7]: in a spot where i had new boss after new boss after new boss after new boss and i

753
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,720
[Unknown6]: boss after new boss after new boss afternoon boss and i know there's some people

754
00:31:57,711 --> 00:32:02,191
[Unknown7]: know there are some people out there that can resemble that remark for sure

755
00:31:58,620 --> 00:31:59,620
[Unknown6]: out there that can

756
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,720
[Unknown6]: resemble that remark for sure

757
00:32:03,231 --> 00:32:06,991
[Unknown7]: but culture i think is the most important part of this discussion right and it's

758
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,600
[Unknown6]: but culture i think is the most important part of this discussion right and it's

759
00:32:07,071 --> 00:32:10,751
[Unknown7]: really about setting the right culture hiring the right people and during the

760
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,280
[Unknown6]: really about setting the right culture hiring the right people and during the

761
00:32:10,831 --> 00:32:12,191
[Unknown7]: onboarding and interview process

762
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,640
[Unknown6]: onboarding and interview process

763
00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:13,931
[Unknown7]: open up

764
00:32:13,711 --> 00:32:18,431
[Unknown7]: the kimono let's find out what's really going on there because i always tell

765
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,280
[Unknown6]: open up the kono let's find out what's really going on there

766
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,360
[Unknown6]: because i always tell people look i don't want you to be here if you don't want to

767
00:32:18,591 --> 00:32:21,151
[Unknown7]: people look i don't want you to be here if you don't want to be here

768
00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:21,980
[Unknown6]: be here

769
00:32:22,131 --> 00:32:23,131
[Unknown7]: this is

770
00:32:22,831 --> 00:32:28,751
[Unknown7]: intended to be a good fit so i want you to see everything the good the not so good

771
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,520
[Unknown6]: this is intended to be a good fit so i want you to see everything the good

772
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:33,360
[Unknown6]: the not so good the incredible the the difficult days right because because

773
00:32:29,311 --> 00:32:33,871
[Unknown7]: the incredible the the difficult days right 'cause there's all of that in every

774
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:37,200
[Unknown6]: there's all of that in every company and make sure that it's the right fit and the

775
00:32:34,031 --> 00:32:37,951
[Unknown7]: company and make sure that it's the right fit and the right time for that person

776
00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:38,220
[Unknown6]: right time for that person

777
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,840
[Unknown6]: one hundred percent i couldn't concur

778
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,840
[Unknown6]: more with what you're sharing i think you know what's interesting as well and i

779
00:32:47,780 --> 00:32:48,780
[Unknown6]: think about this

780
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:55,920
[Unknown6]: the demands for an employer and especially i think because it really starts to sit

781
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,560
[Unknown6]: within that hr department right the demands that they have today is probably

782
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,480
[Unknown6]: greater than they've had in the past

783
00:33:02,211 --> 00:33:03,211
[Unknown7]: yes

784
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,640
[Unknown6]: i mean that is just a reality

785
00:33:04,431 --> 00:33:05,551
[Unknown7]: yes absolutely

786
00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:06,860
[Unknown6]: absolutely knows this

787
00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:08,860
[Unknown6]: and so

788
00:33:08,451 --> 00:33:09,451
[Unknown7]: so

789
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,560
[Unknown6]: i don't i always take the approach that it

790
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,400
[Unknown6]: is impossible to meet that demand by

791
00:33:12,671 --> 00:33:14,351
[Unknown7]: a dot com s

792
00:33:16,051 --> 00:33:17,051
[Unknown7]: but

793
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,000
[Unknown6]: yourself right

794
00:33:17,571 --> 00:33:18,571
[Unknown7]: right

795
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,520
[Unknown6]: everybody needs a partner everyone needs a part every you know i think our as

796
00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:24,740
[Unknown6]: humans we develop

797
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,280
[Unknown6]: you know we become our best selves in partnerships

798
00:33:29,011 --> 00:33:30,011
[Unknown7]: yeah

799
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,280
[Unknown6]: right whether that's friendships whether that's in family units whether that's you

800
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,800
[Unknown6]: know working for someone however that is we become our best selves and

801
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,440
[Unknown6]: partnerships because it allows us to see ourselves it allows us to see where we

802
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,760
[Unknown6]: may need to improve of what we may need to develop and i think you know for hr

803
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,160
[Unknown6]: leaders you know my hat goes off to them i understand it they are probably

804
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,920
[Unknown6]: stretched thin um

805
00:33:51,691 --> 00:33:52,691
[Unknown7]: at the

806
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,680
[Unknown6]: definitely stressed with

807
00:33:53,571 --> 00:33:54,571
[Unknown7]: of

808
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,120
[Unknown6]: all of the demands of bringing a new workforce in figuring out you know how do you

809
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,560
[Unknown6]: do remote and you know working from home and all of those things

810
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,200
[Unknown6]: and you know organizations and i don't want to

811
00:34:06,771 --> 00:34:07,771
[Unknown7]: if

812
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,920
[Unknown6]: seem like i'm trying to plug this but i i know what coaching can do and so finding

813
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,480
[Unknown6]: an organization that can support you like

814
00:34:14,511 --> 00:34:15,631
[Unknown7]: like we

815
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,920
[Unknown6]: i think we do here at leg up i think it's extremely important

816
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,120
[Unknown6]: and more and more organizations are starting to see that and so i want to

817
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:28,160
[Unknown6]: encourage you know and get off my soap box but encourage you know our hr leaders

818
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,440
[Unknown6]: you know that yeah you're not in it by yourself and if you

819
00:34:30,931 --> 00:34:31,931
[Unknown7]: they're not no

820
00:34:32,620 --> 00:34:33,620
[Unknown6]: you're not

821
00:34:34,031 --> 00:34:37,471
[Unknown7]: well there are resources now for organizations i think i think the first sort of

822
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,920
[Unknown6]: what are resources now for organizations i think i think the first sort of

823
00:34:38,331 --> 00:34:39,331
[Unknown7]: know hair on

824
00:34:39,231 --> 00:34:43,071
[Unknown7]: the back of our neck that goes up when we hear this conversation if we're an hr is

825
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,800
[Unknown6]: hair on the back of our neck that goes up when we hear this conversation if we're

826
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:47,520
[Unknown6]: in hr is okay what about the cost though because i've got a limited budget

827
00:34:43,791 --> 00:34:48,511
[Unknown7]: okay what about the cost though because i've got a limited budget i have got to

828
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,160
[Unknown6]: i've got an answer to the cfo

829
00:34:48,591 --> 00:34:51,151
[Unknown7]: answer to the cfo i've got to

830
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,920
[Unknown6]: i've got to manage my resources appropriately i've got to be a good steward of my

831
00:34:51,231 --> 00:34:55,871
[Unknown7]: manage my resources appropriately i've got to be a good steward of my company's

832
00:34:55,951 --> 00:35:01,311
[Unknown7]: money and all of those things are correct so is it cost prohibitive

833
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,560
[Unknown6]: company's money and all of those things are correct so is it cost

834
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,120
[Unknown6]: i think that one of the things and this is what you know i love about the work

835
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,960
[Unknown6]: that we do is that it's easy to make coaching because we know the results that

836
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,280
[Unknown6]: come from coaching it's easy to make coaching

837
00:35:14,931 --> 00:35:15,931
[Unknown7]: i

838
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:16,800
[Unknown6]: an executive only benefit

839
00:35:16,851 --> 00:35:17,851
[Unknown7]: yeah

840
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:22,880
[Unknown6]: where you're paying thousands and thousands of dollars for one person to go

841
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,480
[Unknown6]: through coaching where i think what we've tried to do here at lake is to say you

842
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,040
[Unknown6]: know what really coaching should be accessible to everyone within the organization

843
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,320
[Unknown6]: and so you know i think what you and victor have done very well you've designed a

844
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:45,120
[Unknown6]: business model that allows anyone to play at almost any level which is unheard of

845
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,400
[Unknown6]: i'm going to tell you you know prior to coming to leg up i own my own business and

846
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,480
[Unknown6]: i did coaching and i know how much

847
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:58,560
[Unknown6]: i charge for coaching so because i know the results that it yields and so you know

848
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,280
[Unknown6]: to say okay now this is accessible to

849
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,120
[Unknown6]: almost anyone within you know the organization

850
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:06,900
[Unknown6]: i think that

851
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,720
[Unknown6]: it's massive and so it's i would say no it's not cost prohibitive i think there is

852
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:19,520
[Unknown6]: enough options that that an hr leader or an organization can work through with us

853
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,360
[Unknown6]: to to find the right mix for them

854
00:36:22,031 --> 00:36:26,671
[Unknown7]: yeah i agree i think there's lots of options lots of pricing options in a way if

855
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,200
[Unknown6]: yeah i agree i think there's lots of options lots of pricing options in a way if

856
00:36:26,751 --> 00:36:31,951
[Unknown7]: you're willing to put in a few conversations to actually come up with a strategic

857
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:32,480
[Unknown6]: you're willing to put in a few conversations to actually come up with a strategic

858
00:36:31,651 --> 00:36:32,651
[Unknown7]: plan

859
00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:33,180
[Unknown6]: plan

860
00:36:33,231 --> 00:36:38,511
[Unknown7]: that doesn't have to be a short term plan that can start today and be impactful

861
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:39,040
[Unknown6]: that doesn't have to be a short term plan that can start today and be impactful

862
00:36:38,671 --> 00:36:42,911
[Unknown7]: for the next decade and that's the way we look at strategic planning is how do we

863
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,440
[Unknown6]: for the next decade and that's the way we look at strategic planning is how do we

864
00:36:42,991 --> 00:36:47,631
[Unknown7]: set it up for today but really start to dig in in year two and you're three and

865
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,080
[Unknown6]: set it up for today but really start to dig in in year two and you're three and

866
00:36:47,711 --> 00:36:52,751
[Unknown7]: you're four and change the culture in a really positive way in the future

867
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,200
[Unknown6]: you're four and change the culture in a really positive way in the future

868
00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:54,940
[Unknown6]: absolutely

869
00:36:54,911 --> 00:36:58,191
[Unknown7]: so calvin we have talked today about measurable impact

870
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,720
[Unknown6]: so calvin we have talked today about measurable impact

871
00:36:59,311 --> 00:37:01,871
[Unknown7]: and the work that you've done your sort of origin story

872
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,400
[Unknown6]: and the work that you've done your sort of origin story

873
00:37:03,551 --> 00:37:08,271
[Unknown7]: couple of takeaways that i have that i just want to get your thoughts on so first

874
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,720
[Unknown6]: couple of takeaways that i have that i just want to get your thoughts on so first

875
00:37:08,431 --> 00:37:13,151
[Unknown7]: one i think i heard you say at some point let's not box people in based on their

876
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,600
[Unknown6]: one i think i heard you say at some point let's not box people in based on their

877
00:37:13,311 --> 00:37:14,751
[Unknown7]: background thoughts on that

878
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,280
[Unknown6]: background thoughts on that

879
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,120
[Unknown6]: though it's on that so you know i think when you think about um how someone

880
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:26,160
[Unknown6]: ultimately gets to you to your organization and when you're looking at things like

881
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,840
[Unknown6]: resume and you know do they have you know college education and you know have they

882
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,760
[Unknown6]: you know worked here here and there i think those things can be

883
00:37:35,651 --> 00:37:36,651
[Unknown7]: i

884
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,120
[Unknown6]: extremely limiting

885
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,200
[Unknown6]: you know if you are a developer of people

886
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:46,880
[Unknown6]: i think part of what you should be looking for as you talked about tom you're

887
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:52,320
[Unknown6]: looking for fit you know do does this individual fit within our culture is this

888
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:59,760
[Unknown6]: individual hungry to to develop and to grow and i think grit is important we

889
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,480
[Unknown6]: don't talk about that but grid is important yeah you know

890
00:37:59,871 --> 00:38:01,391
[Unknown7]: yep oh yeah

891
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,200
[Unknown6]: and you're looking clearly talent is important you're you're hiring people to do a

892
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,640
[Unknown6]: job so i'm not taking that away but i think we need to expand that a little bit

893
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,880
[Unknown6]: more you know i think earlier in my career

894
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:22,720
[Unknown6]: you know i i didn't want to think this but in hindsight looking back at it i can

895
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,880
[Unknown6]: see that you know i think you know race played a part in

896
00:38:26,771 --> 00:38:27,771
[Unknown7]: yeah

897
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,240
[Unknown6]: some of the promotions that i didn't get and some of the areas that i wasn't

898
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,600
[Unknown6]: brought in and i also realized that in almost almost all of the organizations that

899
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,360
[Unknown6]: i was in that within the level that i was on i was the only african american

900
00:38:43,291 --> 00:38:44,291
[Unknown7]: wow

901
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:49,600
[Unknown6]: right so i also understand that that that pool is also very small as well

902
00:38:51,071 --> 00:38:55,071
[Unknown7]: well i think race is a big topic and backgrounds and

903
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,600
[Unknown6]: well i think race is a big topic and backgrounds and

904
00:38:56,431 --> 00:38:59,951
[Unknown7]: all of the different socioeconomic groups play a role and

905
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,480
[Unknown6]: all of the different socioeconomic groups play a role and

906
00:39:01,711 --> 00:39:06,111
[Unknown7]: it's going to happen in organizations i just hope that we're turning the corner uh

907
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,160
[Unknown6]: it's going to happen in organizations i just hope that we're turning the corner

908
00:39:06,351 --> 00:39:07,791
[Unknown7]: where it plays less of a role

909
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,320
[Unknown6]: where it plays less of a role

910
00:39:09,151 --> 00:39:10,191
[Unknown7]: and we're starting to see

911
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,720
[Unknown6]: and we're starting to see equal footing for everybody no matter what your affinity

912
00:39:11,231 --> 00:39:16,031
[Unknown7]: equal footing for everybody no matter what your affinity group is that we're all

913
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,440
[Unknown6]: group is that we're all on the same playing field going for the same jobs and

914
00:39:16,111 --> 00:39:20,191
[Unknown7]: in the same playing field going for the same jobs and being judged based on our

915
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,840
[Unknown6]: being judged based on our talent our ability to communicate our grip as you said

916
00:39:20,271 --> 00:39:26,511
[Unknown7]: talent our ability to communicate our grit as you said our gs profile you know all

917
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,600
[Unknown6]: our ds profile

918
00:39:26,591 --> 00:39:27,791
[Unknown7]: of the good things about

919
00:39:28,831 --> 00:39:34,751
[Unknown7]: human behavior and some of those dated legacy components are starting to drift

920
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,720
[Unknown6]: components are starting to drift away yeah absolutely absolutely

921
00:39:34,291 --> 00:39:35,291
[Unknown7]: away

922
00:39:38,031 --> 00:39:40,351
[Unknown7]: so comin what's one thing that you have done

923
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,880
[Unknown6]: so kalvin what's one thing that you have done

924
00:39:41,631 --> 00:39:46,031
[Unknown7]: to invest in yourself in the last year that you feel feel really good about that

925
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,800
[Unknown6]: to invest in yourself in the last year that you feel really good about that you

926
00:39:46,111 --> 00:39:47,871
[Unknown7]: you would like to share with our audience

927
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,880
[Unknown6]: would like to share with our audience

928
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:56,480
[Unknown6]: so one thing i've done to invest in myself well um one you know i believe all

929
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:01,360
[Unknown6]: coaches and i say this to our coach coach community all coaches need a coach

930
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,120
[Unknown6]: there's no question about it if you're coaching other people and you're not being

931
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,240
[Unknown6]: coached yourself um you are you're you're limiting yourself and i don't think

932
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,040
[Unknown6]: you're showing up authentically for for the people that you support and then

933
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,960
[Unknown6]: another thing because i do believe in learning and i'm a lifelong learner i

934
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,400
[Unknown6]: recently started um a doctoral program

935
00:40:24,931 --> 00:40:25,931
[Unknown7]: it's a

936
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,680
[Unknown6]: and so so that is that

937
00:40:27,331 --> 00:40:28,331
[Unknown7]: that

938
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,320
[Unknown6]: has been just amazing experience

939
00:40:30,971 --> 00:40:31,971
[Unknown7]: speed up

940
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,440
[Unknown6]: because it's in the area of

941
00:40:33,011 --> 00:40:34,011
[Unknown7]: up

942
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,400
[Unknown6]: coaching and the work that i do and so really

943
00:40:36,531 --> 00:40:37,531
[Unknown7]: it

944
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:42,560
[Unknown6]: expanding not only my understanding but really understanding just additional

945
00:40:42,700 --> 00:40:43,700
[Unknown6]: things that you know

946
00:40:43,571 --> 00:40:44,571
[Unknown7]: what

947
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000
[Unknown6]: what makes us as humans tick

948
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,760
[Unknown6]: and really how to unlock even greater potential within individuals so that's kind

949
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,720
[Unknown6]: of where i've been investing my time and and and my mind

950
00:40:58,191 --> 00:41:03,711
[Unknown7]: kelvin i love it and if if somebody wanted to get a hold of you and and have a

951
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:04,560
[Unknown6]: kelvin i love it and if if somebody wanted to get a hold of you and have a chat

952
00:41:03,791 --> 00:41:08,671
[Unknown7]: chat with you or or just connect with you whats the best platform to do that on

953
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,920
[Unknown6]: with you or or just connect with you what's the best platform to do that on you

954
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:16,000
[Unknown6]: can do that on linkedin you could also reach out to me at kelvin dot thomas at

955
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,200
[Unknown6]: legu dot com

956
00:41:17,871 --> 00:41:22,191
[Unknown7]: okay terrific we'll put that in the show notes for those that are driving we don't

957
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,400
[Unknown6]: okay terrific and we'll put that in the show notes for those that are driving we

958
00:41:22,191 --> 00:41:26,191
[Unknown7]: want you to pull over and try to type that into your phone we will put that in the

959
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,480
[Unknown6]: don't want you to pull over and try to type that into your phone we will put that

960
00:41:26,091 --> 00:41:27,091
[Unknown7]: show notes for everybody

961
00:41:26,540 --> 00:41:27,540
[Unknown6]: in the show notes for everybody

962
00:41:28,271 --> 00:41:32,591
[Unknown7]: kelvin i want to thank you uh for joining us today this has been a terrific

963
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,120
[Unknown6]: kelvin i want to thank you for joining us today this has been a terrific

964
00:41:32,671 --> 00:41:37,471
[Unknown7]: discussion i really feel like we got under the hood in some areas of coaching but

965
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:38,000
[Unknown6]: discussion i really feel like we got under the hood in some areas of coaching but

966
00:41:37,631 --> 00:41:42,431
[Unknown7]: really around measuring impact treating people the right way you know growing

967
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,960
[Unknown6]: really around measuring impact treating people the right way you know growing

968
00:41:42,511 --> 00:41:47,311
[Unknown7]: teams so this was a really lovely discussion and really appreciate having you on

969
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,760
[Unknown6]: teams so this was a really lovely discussion and really appreciate having you on

970
00:41:46,931 --> 00:41:47,931
[Unknown7]: the show

971
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,320
[Unknown6]: the show well thanks for having me and uh hello hello again everyone hopefully

972
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,240
[Unknown6]: hopefully you walk away with something that's gonna help you and your team

973
00:41:56,531 --> 00:41:57,531
[Unknown7]: yeah

974
00:41:57,471 --> 00:42:01,951
[Unknown7]: absolutely and thank you all for joining the talent empowerment podcast i hope

975
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,320
[Unknown6]: yeah absolutely and thank you all for joining the talent empowerment podcast i

976
00:42:02,111 --> 00:42:06,991
[Unknown7]: this conversation lifted you up so you can lift up your teams and organizations as

977
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,080
[Unknown6]: hope this conversation lifted you

978
00:42:06,991 --> 00:42:09,471
[Unknown7]: i like to say around here let's get back to

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